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[Loftwing]

Mr. Rogers is often unreliable

Anyway, I think I was asked for a Reed's list by two players in this game, so I'm going to work on that before I pass out.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you communicating with someone outside of this game and having them help you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Subject: Forum Rules and Guidelines

[*]Do not talk outside the game thread about an ongoing game except where explicitly allowed to do so by your role/moderator.

[Loftwing]

Towntopia

Loftwing
Rannygazoo
LicketyQuickety
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Nero Cain
Wake88
Andresvmb
Almost50
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nulland. how fun.

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ssbm_Kyouko
GrandpaMo
Kop
MargotRosa
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you are now leaving nulland.

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Titus
Hakai
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Dwlee99
DkKoba
NorwegianBoyEE

No-Go Zo-Ne

[LicketyQuickety]

Talk is cheap.

[Dwlee99]

Now I townread Titus

[Loftwing]

Are you communicating with someone outside of this game and having them help you?

Does my play LOOK like I'm getting any guidance from the infallible

Ircher

StrangerCoug

Sirius9121

[PLACEHOLDER]?

[NorwegianboyEE]

All town in this guys strongest scumreads.

[MargotRosa]

When I actually null read a slot in a game I express that I dont think theres anything conclusive but let the wagon build on them and watch rather than shade people on the wagon

I have let the wagon build, and I saw that the wagon was trash. It's not "shading those on the wagon" it's pointing out that the wagon is trash and some main proponents on it are scummy.

It's not "shading people on the wagon", it's pointing out that the wagon is bad and those on it are bad. It's not shading if I

explicitly

say that you are scummy. That's pretty much the exact opposite of shading.

This is not a good post.

Loftwing, why is the wagon bad?
What are the scummy things I'm doing that imply I have a scummy thought process?

I.e. I dont give a shit what actions you think are scummy because thats level 1 reading - Why are the actions linked to a scum agenda and improbable to be towny?

The Kyouko Wagon is bad because the two main proponents of it (You and NorwEE) are. in my eyes, very scummy and trying to strongarm the wagon into existence. I don't know whether or not you two are T/S or S/S, but I am very sure that at least one of you two are scum, and have either pocketed the other, or are working together to grab the game by the tail and drag it along to wherever you want it to go.

Take, for example, a very simple question recently asked by Nero Cain:

What's the case on SSBM besides posting elsewhere?

Neither you nor NorwEE have answered yet, despite it being a simple question to answer. Do you not have an answer, do you not want to answer, or did you just not see fit to answer it?

But that's something small and in the present. Maybe neither of you didn't want to answer right now because you were busy. Let's move on to another point.
I've already stated in the past that NorwEE shouldn't be listened to (and indirectly scumreading them) so I already had a scumread on them, but then you seem to just vibe with them, and are on the same wavelength. I don't know if this is because you're trying to pocket them, if they're pocketing you, or if you two are both scum. I don't know, but all I do know is that one of the two of you are defo scum. You two working together leaves a dry slate-on-the-tounge feel in my mouth.
Pocketing or vibing with eachother is a scummy thing to do, and would definitely be something that scum would want to do. After all, it's much better to drum up support for a bad wagon if players trust you.

Next is your defense of Dwlee. I don't know why you think Dwlee, or anyone else, voting a noposter is actually town behaviour. I don't care why you think that. All I know is that that is incorrect. It is not town behaviour, it is antitown behaviour.
Think of it like this: Say Dwlee's bandwagoning worked and we got Margot to E-2 before they even got on. How would you expect any player to react to being driven to E-2? I would expect poor performance of towniness from a noposter, because they have a wagon on them with the very real threat of axing. You're put under immense pressure and told that if you don't act pro-town we will kill you, which is hard to do when you're under the threat of axing.
Basically, I would expect Margot to act poorly and get axed, regardless of their alignment, and maybe even regardless of their role. If Margot was a power role, we might have accidentally axed a PR Day 1, because they looked scummy when put under immense pressure.
And what do you do? You defend Dwlee's actions. You say that this was actually a pro-town thing to do. That this was actually something you would expect town, not scum, to do. I'm not buying it. That is bullshit. That is indicative of you WKing Dwlee against me, which is something a scum player would do to gain followers, which again, makes your actions more popular, regardless of what they are.

My dinner is ready, so I'm going to go eat. But this is just one part of why I think the wagon is bad. It's messy and imprecise, but I think it gets my thoughts across.

This is also not a good post.

lol caught scum.

This post is abysmal.

Like you saying we are scummy for strongarming a wagon is literally a clown take. Like its so bad that no one here is going to even entertain it - so have fun with that.

Neither of us are scum. If anything I would be the one having Norwee pocketed because I have never been pocketed by Norwee but I have done the reverse - and I know I am town. So you're going to need to lock that shit into as you think I'm 100% scum.

I think you are trying to save Kyouko at all costs and I want competing wagons between you and Kyouko now. Let's see how much harder you try to push a 3rd, easier target.


Yes - townies can have illogical takes, but this is clearly not the case - but you are trying to pass off a scumread on us while insisting you nullread Kyouko - With me knowing Kyouko is firmly within her scumrange, this is most probable to be you trying to look good off the Kyouko flip and not a genuine take on the slot. A townie would actually more naturally confirm if they thought Norwee and/or I was scum, that Kyouko was spewed town.

Loftwing has shown no thought processes and his progression is jarring. he goes from 1 thought to the other when convenient.
All he is interested in is saving Kyouko but he tries to lie about it, which is indicative of a scum TMI on Kyouko's alignment as their partner.

Kyouko->Loftwing 2 easy scum.

Dkk is Town lock.

VOTE: Loftwing[/vote]

[MargotRosa]

I have done the mismatching braces way too many times at this point

VOTE: Loftwing

[Loftwing]

Could you elaborate on your thought process, Margot?

[p.s. I drank waaay too much coffee because I was afraid I wouldn't be able to get everything done in time, but now I can't go to sleep. send help.]

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still prefer voting SSB as i think SSB scumflip says slightly more about Loftwings alignment than Loftwing scumflip says about SSB.
Even if i am close to thinking they are mutually inclusive at this point.

[Loftwing]

Ok, I'm finally going to sleep. Good night, all. (Except for you, Wake.)

[Almost50]

Loftwing isn't Scum and I'm baffled why people are pushing there.

Because if that's not scum it is the worst -ve utility the town ever had in a game of mafia.

P.S. I was dead certain he was Mafia until I leaned he was Jake.

[Almost50]

I don't think

That's the most accurate/true statement you have made in this game thus far.

[Almost50]

Being wrong =/= Scum

Being wrong is one thing. Being wrong about most everything AND being stubborn about it is another.

[Almost50]

Towntopia

Loftwing
Rannygazoo
LicketyQuickety
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Nero Cain
Wake88
Andresvmb
Almost50
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nulland. how fun.

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ssbm_Kyouko
GrandpaMo
Kop
MargotRosa
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you are now leaving nulland.

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Titus
Hakai
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Dwlee99
DkKoba
NorwegianBoyEE

No-Go Zo-Ne

OK. Now I think I agree with LQ. This can't be scum. because Scum would have some sense in distributing the scum team all over their read list, and would certainly NOT psck the Town leaders at the bottom of their read list.

If a Vig exists in this game, please take care of this guys sooner than later. Scum are NEVER going to shoot this EVER.

[Almost50]

@loftwig: Why am I above your null line?? What have I done -from your skewed PoV- that makes me a TR of any degree?

[Nero Cain]

I know they do - my point is its really stupid to say "oh this is scummy *because* of the strongarming"

I very much disagree. If scum are plenty capable of doing it and they do it it's not "stupid" to suspect you of it.

To claim that because one of us doesn’t answer the same question repeatedly, that there is nothing there. Looks really bad on the person that makes the accusation because it’s an obvious lie that can be traced back on to them and shows them as an liar that cannot make any arguments in good faith without trying to lie about past events in order to gain future influence.

I don't think he ever made the claim that there's no case on SSBM. I asked b/c I was skimming and didn't really get it and all I got was "does anyone read?" If you want to make the argument that I shouldn't have asked that and just waited till I had a chance to go back and reread the koba/ssbm back and forth then fine but he's not incorrect when he says that my q wasn't answered.

Also, the whole "you didn't consider me as town." from you and koba is ass, man.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You make a lot of sense A50. I can certainly see the townbeard angle.
That's also part of the reason why i still prefer voting SSB.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think he ever made the claim that there's no case on SSBM. I asked b/c I was skimming and didn't really get it and all I got was "does anyone read?" If you want to make the argument that I shouldn't have asked that and just waited till I had a chance to go back and reread the koba/ssbm back and forth then fine but he's not incorrect when he says that my q wasn't answered.

Since when did you become an pedantics freak rather than just voting scum.

[Nero Cain]

I'm already voting scum but I still willing to take the time to call out shit posts.

[Almost50]

Here's an updated read list (again, reads within a group are not particularly ordered. In fact, I will just use Loftwig's list from top to bottom to order mine)

Town:

LicketyQuickety, Nero Cain, Wake88, Andresvmb, Almost50, Hakai, Dwlee99, DkKoba, NorwegianBoyEE

Unknown:

Loftwing, Titus, GrandpaMo, MargotRosa

Pool of suspects:

Rannygazoo, ssbm_Kyouko, Kop

[Almost50]

Actually; move Grandpa & Margot up to Town

[Wake1]

V/LA until Tuesday morning.