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Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:11 am

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Also if you look at the full context Beige doesn't seem irritated at all
In post 831, Knight Beige wrote:
In post 828, The Rainbow Knight wrote:How does it make sense to be Rose - Indigo? Rose wasn't even trying to pair with Indigo at the end?
Why does that matter?
In post 832, Knight Beige wrote:Oh you mean for s-s?

I also think that is unlikely
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Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:13 am

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In post 1045, Knight Crimson wrote:
In post 1026, Knight Daffodil wrote:It's so hard to wrap my head around the nightkill from this angle, but what else am I to do. I can't play the whole rest of the game (well, I could if it's only a few minutes) worrying about that or I might as well just leave.
I cannot for the life of me understand the nightkill either.

Let's say all this is correct:

Knight Seafoam
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Knight Marigold

Knight Crimson
- Knight Lavender
Knight Daffodil
- The Rainbow Knight
Knight Indigo
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Knight Rose

Knight Chartreuse
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What is the benefit from killing Seafoam/Mari over one of our pairs? I cannot figure it out. I'm banking on that I just don't have the information to understand. That or they made a mistake.
Only thing I can think of was Seafoam tr me for being suss on Rainbow and thought it would make her look bad.
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Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:16 am

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Marigold was really towny so there's that at least.

Oh. You know what.

Rainbow never saw Lav's readslist. You remember that? Lav's readlist showed that Lav/I scumread Seafoam. But Rainbow didn't see it. What if scum incorrectly thought that both Seafoam and Mari were townread?

Just something to think about I guess. I could see Seafoam/Marigold being a better kill than Lav/I because Lav wasn't widely townread like I was.
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Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:18 am

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What if the bad nightkill is the result of scum not paying attention?

What if Beige/Rose/Rainbow didn't have the cognizance of the gamestate to notice that the reads on Seafoam shifted from town to scum? Earlier in the day we were townreading Seafoam, after all.

Rainbow never saw Lav/I's reads

That could be it. What if it is?
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Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:20 am

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If Lav were scum with Rose she would have never nightkilled Mari/Seafoam and proceeded to scumread Rose as hard as she does, for what it's worth btw.

Lav killing Mari/Seafoam is a bonkers move honestly in most scenarios since she out of everyone should know everyone's reads (especially mine) the best.

You know who might not have a perfectly firm grasp of reads.... Rose, Beige, Rainbow...
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Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:21 am

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In post 1054, Knight Crimson wrote:If Lav were scum with Rose she would have never nightkilled Mari/Seafoam and proceeded to scumread Rose as hard as she does, for what it's worth btw.

Lav killing Mari/Seafoam is a bonkers move honestly in most scenarios since she out of everyone should know everyone's reads (especially mine) the best.

You know who might not have a perfectly firm grasp of reads.... Rose, Beige, Rainbow...
Not "proceed". She's been scumreading Rose pretty hard in our PT the entire way through. but you know what I mean

You all remember how we thought Seafoam was towny early in the day, right? What if scum was still living in that era?
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Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:23 am

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In post 1046, Knight Crimson wrote:
In post 1044, Knight Indigo wrote:
In post 1038, Knight Crimson wrote:@Indigo

Lavender had a meltdown in my PT about how we were doomed to lose because I trusted your pair over her and generally gave off a sense I was writing her off as town.

If your pair contains scum (aka Rose), why does scum!Lavender care that I do not trust her? Lav's behaviour was that of someone who needed me to trust them in order to win. Which is not true of a Lav/Rose team. If Lav had just done absolutely nothing she would have won. But instead she got a on a voice-to-text convo with me that lasted for three pages. It was very heartbreaking for me that I upset her.

It's not Rose/Lav. If it's Rose/Lav then Lavender worked me for absolutely no reason when she was going to win anyway.
If the T - T team is Daffodil/Rainbow, then she loses, doesn’t she?
No because I believed that the T-T team was Rose/Indigo. I was fully prepared to end the game on you two being the last alive
In post 851, Knight Crimson wrote:*This* close to saying yolo and having Rose/Indigo endgame.

Nah, just kidding, Azure was a good reminder of why that doesn't work.
Well if we only go by WiOM, you/Lav would look like the T - T team because I was shocked that one of me/Rose or Daffodil/Rainbow wasn’t the NK over Marigold/Seafoam.

In case we’re flipped and Rose is scum, she was sussing on Daffodil and never mentioned anyone else except maybe Burgundy but I brought him up first.

However the way she phrased it sounded townie because she wanted to get my read on a particular post of his.
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Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:25 am

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In post 710, The Rainbow Knight wrote:the seafoam kill really is throwing me for a loop because Daffodil said he suspected seafoam and now seafoam is dead so I don't know if he would kill his own suspect just to make me townread him.

But he's also telling me he feels uneasy about me which implies he will be leaving me at some point and I'm not sure if it's performative or real.
In post 713, The Rainbow Knight wrote:I don't really understand his motivation if its to float a suspect, get me to sort of agree and then nightkill the suspect just to put my head on a spinner. I am moderately worried at this point.
Can confirm that Rainbow simply thought of Seafoam as "Daff's suspect".

If Daff is scum they also might not have known how many people shared that read, although I'd be a little more surprised at that.

As for Rose....

Eh Rose doesn't really give a read on Seafoam aside from the early game when they said "ok-ish". They were considering pairing with Seafoam or Indigo primarily so they definite had them as higher town than Magenta.
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Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:28 am

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In post 1052, Knight Crimson wrote:Marigold was really towny so there's that at least.

Oh. You know what.

Rainbow never saw Lav's readslist. You remember that? Lav's readlist showed that Lav/I scumread Seafoam. But Rainbow didn't see it. What if scum incorrectly thought that both Seafoam and Mari were townread?

Just something to think about I guess. I could see Seafoam/Marigold being a better kill than Lav/I because Lav wasn't widely townread like I was.
I have been trying to find that post. Can you either link or quote it for me?

I agree with that but why not me/Rose or Daffodil/Rainbow?

I was sure that it would be on them or us, so that’s making me paranoid now on both Daff/Rainbow and Rose because our two pairs were stronger tr than Seafoam.
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Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:39 am

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In post 557, Knight Seafoam wrote:
In post 548, Knight Rose wrote:Well, it looks like I will end up forming a palette with Seafoam or Indigo. To be honest, I'm already sort of made a choice. But it is something I'm not super happy about for reasons I can't really describe. Either way, I don't think I make it too deep into this game which is ok.
Also, I have some more thoughts on Lavender. I think she's trying to be helpful this game like a sort of support. There hasn't been a lot of reads from that slot and most of the posts are very "informative" (can't really think of the right word). Initially, I viewed that as sort of scummy, but I also think it can be a town playstyle (to some extent). Wondering how others are reading Lavender.
The only -town I've really seen from Lavender was how quickly Lavender accepted the dance. Otherwise the slot has been pretty +town to me, and she looks like she was genuinely trying to sort new Indigo.
Hmmm . . . Lavender really had no reason to kill Seafoam. If Daff/Rainbow are SvS, Rose may not be the optimal lim today.

But I lean to Daff/Rainbow possibly being TvS rn, especially if Rose is scum.
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Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:40 am

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This page is painting a compelling picture for me leaving but I'm so afraid of blowing it.
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Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:43 am

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In post 1057, Knight Crimson wrote:
In post 710, The Rainbow Knight wrote:the seafoam kill really is throwing me for a loop because Daffodil said he suspected seafoam and now seafoam is dead so I don't know if he would kill his own suspect just to make me townread him.

But he's also telling me he feels uneasy about me which implies he will be leaving me at some point and I'm not sure if it's performative or real.
In post 713, The Rainbow Knight wrote:I don't really understand his motivation if its to float a suspect, get me to sort of agree and then nightkill the suspect just to put my head on a spinner. I am moderately worried at this point.
Can confirm that Rainbow simply thought of Seafoam as "Daff's suspect".

If Daff is scum they also might not have known how many people shared that read, although I'd be a little more surprised at that.

As for Rose....

Eh Rose doesn't really give a read on Seafoam aside from the early game when they said "ok-ish". They were considering pairing with Seafoam or Indigo primarily so they definite had them as higher town than Magenta.
Well we know that Seafoam/Magenta are flipped town and I know I’m town, so all of the cool slots left on the table for Marigold/Rose to pair with are all town.
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Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:47 am

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In post 1057, Knight Crimson wrote:
In post 710, The Rainbow Knight wrote:the seafoam kill really is throwing me for a loop because Daffodil said he suspected seafoam and now seafoam is dead so I don't know if he would kill his own suspect just to make me townread him.

But he's also telling me he feels uneasy about me which implies he will be leaving me at some point and I'm not sure if it's performative or real.
In post 713, The Rainbow Knight wrote:I don't really understand his motivation if its to float a suspect, get me to sort of agree and then nightkill the suspect just to put my head on a spinner. I am moderately worried at this point.
Can confirm that Rainbow simply thought of Seafoam as "Daff's suspect".

If Daff is scum they also might not have known how many people shared that read, although I'd be a little more surprised at that.

As for Rose....

Eh Rose doesn't really give a read on Seafoam aside from the early game when they said "ok-ish". They were considering pairing with Seafoam or Indigo primarily so they definite had them as higher town than Magenta.
Doesnt this whole interaction make Lav/Rainbow seem pretty inplausible?
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Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:47 am

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I may have quoted the wrong post. I mean the fiasco with the neighborhood and rainbow missing the reads. What was the point of that?
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Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:48 am

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In post 1060, Knight Daffodil wrote:This page is painting a compelling picture for me leaving but I'm so afraid of blowing it.
Well I don’t think there are any SvS pairs and Rose makes more sense with Rainbow than Lavender and then there’s both of our pairs being alive, when one of us should have been the NK, so Marigold/Seafoam was the most likely T - T of the bunch if it really is Beige/Rose/Rainbow. so I’m now thinking Crimson might be right that he and Lav are actually the T - T pairing.
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Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:50 am

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Rainbow did seem kind of surprised that I suspected seafoam.
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Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:53 am

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Indigo
Crimson
Daffodil
Lavender

Rainbow/Rose


This is my current readslist.
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Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:55 am

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Crimson, should I go? All you really need to do is hammer home for me that it isnt Lav/Rose.
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Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:58 am

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In post 826, Knight Lavender wrote:There were my reads during my reread over night two, independent of pairings:

{Chartreuse, Marigold, Rainbow, Crimson}

{Indigo, Daffodil}

{Beige, Seafoam}

{Rose}


The flip of a "middle to lower" pack T-T pair makes me think we're going full on mind games, as I mentioned before. I suspect we've got a S-S pair with a deepwolf paired to a non-deepwolf.


Now the currently living pairings with my original reads applied...

Knight Crimson - Knight Lavender

Knight Beige
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Knight Chartreuse

Knight Daffodil
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The Rainbow Knight

Knight Rose
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Knight Indigo


I don't have enough scum in there.... If there's a S-S pairing, it pretty much has to be Rose-Indigo..... but with how the end of day zero went down, I'm not really sure that it's the case? If I take back the rainbow hood stuff I set aside, it is POSISBLE that rainbow-daffy are both extremely competent deep wolf players and that's why everything feels lopsided. Crimson is 50000000% town and the only way they die if by leaving the dance or we get voted, I am 100% firm that crimmy's town and never leaving. I had flashes of paranoia but then I re-read the day one ISO.

Rainbow.... what made you choose to neighborize me exactly?

Do people think that rainbow could have genuinely missed the reads I sent her?
I finally found that post.
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Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:01 am

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In post 1067, Knight Daffodil wrote:Crimson, should I go? All you really need to do is hammer home for me that it isnt Lav/Rose.
It’s not me, Crimson and if it’s not Lavender or you, then it has to be Rainbow/Rose.

I should ISO Marigold too but Lavender had no reason to kill Seafoam.
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Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:03 am

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In post 558, Knight Marigold wrote:Appreciate the analysis, Crimson. Very impressed. Was looking for some comment that would give clarity, and you not only delivered but went above and beyond.

Here's what I think is happening: Indigo and Magenta are both scum and are distancing from each other. Indigo is making underexplained and scummy arguments to play into my stated distrust of their slot to try to reverse psychology me into forming a palette with Magenta. The fact that they continue to offer little in the way of explanation makes me think they
want
their opinion to go unlistened to. Well, if it's a feint I'm not going to fall for it. If Indigo is scum with Magenta, I think Burgundy is plausible as the third, simply for their sketchy progression on a number of slots that they can't seem to back up.

So I'm going to propose to Seafoam. I feel bad for Rose, I really do believe they are town and I think I'm leaving them with no good choices. Had fate seen fit to give me a Cool role instead of a Warm one, I'd have snatched them up ages ago. Alas, the roll of the dice has not been kind to me. Of course, if I'm wrong I think Indigo should be given a chance to form real reads, and I apologize for my dismissive attitude. I'm simply going with what seems like the most plausible theory to me right now.
Marigold tr Rose. This isn’t helping me.
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Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:05 am

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To be fair, everyone was townreading rose.
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Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:18 am

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In post 428, Knight Marigold wrote:I think Rose continues to validate my earlier feelings of them being town.
In post 426, Knight Rose wrote:My take is actually that if there's scum within the first palette, it would be Lavender.
Why her, in particular?
In post 429, Knight Rose wrote:Well, I don't really want to commit to a scumread there, so it's more of a hot take. Mainly I'm thinking: was sort of unnecessary, I didn't like the jump on Indigo(again dependent on Indigo town here which idk about), and this is sort of not good reasoning but the talk between her and Crimson could be pocketing. There's a lot of posts missing in the middle (from Lavender that I didn't really read). I think I'll take a look more when I have time tmrw.
So reading Rose’s posts both here and in the PT, she was sussing on both Lavender and more questioning of Daffodil in our PT

Scum would play a dance setup differently then a regular game because you have an actual pair to push and it leaves less associatives to distance from their partner’s partner. Beige who pretty much openly scumclaimed with that readslist, had Rainbow as her top tr but had Daffodil as scum and Crimson as well. What was weird was she had both Rose and me on her elim list.
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Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:21 am

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In post 1071, Knight Daffodil wrote:To be fair, everyone was townreading rose.
Magenta was torn though because she never proposed to Rose and I will owe her an apology for wrongly sr her.
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Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:23 am

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I see the thread is blowing up. Apologies, I am still at work for the next 3 hours or so.

Please wait for me. Thanks!
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