Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

Vote Count 1-15

Don't insult each other, insult each other's tastes in soda!

Venus Fly Trap (5): Lady Lamdadelta,Gamma Emerald, Towelie, Dunnstral, MUSHSHAGANA
E. M. M. I. (2): ssbm_Kyouko, Wisdom
Milk & Mocha (1): Venus Fly Trap
ssbm_Kyouko (1): Critter
Dunnstral (1): Milk & Mocha
Gamma Emerald (1): StrangeMatter


Not Voting (2): Something_Smart, E. M. M. I.

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-02 20:02:57)

[Venus Fly Trap]

Gamma Emerald
Towelie (hydra of borkjerfkin and notscience)
MUSHSHAGANA
E. M. M. I.
Milk & Mocha (hydra of PookyTheMagicalBear and Noraa)
Venus Fly Trap (hydra of skitter30 and lilith2013)
Dunnstral
Wisdom
Lady Lambdadelta
Something_Smart
Critter
StrangeMatter
ssbm_Kyouko Toogeloo

lld
critter, gamma
wisdom
dunn, mush
strangematter, ssbm
emmi, something smart
towelie
mm

this is where i'm at ^

[Towelie]

i mean i'd draw it out a bit and make it look good, like i'd be indecisive for a bit but ultimatley settle on a townread and then just stick with it for the rest of teh game
idk why u think i'd be drawing this out or bickering with u about this this whole time tho

I don't feel like you really answered my question.

"i mean i'd draw it out a bit and make it look good"
I even referenced a way you might even do that my promising to "go look at my meta" and then eventually settle there
and I liked the fact that you didn't do that but reserved judgment instead.

And you didn't like that I apparently now agree with you that you handled it in a way that you think scum you never would have done

i'm very confused

-b

[Critter]

You know what. I am borrowing from MathBlade. It helped him nail a scum team 3/3 can everyone do this?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13054226

[Critter]

He’s normally really bad but if it helped him it can help me. Go!

[Critter]

This will also help me see if I am wrong on my Kyo read too So good stuff there.

[Venus Fly Trap]

i'm saying that at the time, i think i was still within the range of what i would have done, so it was too early for a townread
i would not have, however, sat here and continued to fight with you by this point, and would have found some point to gracefully exit and just call it a day
like you're not someone i spend all of day1 fighting with as scum

[Venus Fly Trap]

You know what. I am borrowing from MathBlade. It helped him nail a scum team 3/3 can everyone do this?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13054226

i mean we can, but no offense at this point idk if this is the most best way to work with what we've got so far

[Venus Fly Trap]

also just want to point out that this wagon got to e2 and mm's is strugglign to get there despite lld wanting it as well ...

just pointing this out again ^

[Critter]

My list is this:

Towelie (hydra of borkjerfkin and notscience)
E. M. M. I.
Milk & Mocha (hydra of PookyTheMagicalBear and Noraa)
Something_Smart
StrangeMatter
ssbm_Kyouko

And it is because LLD can then pick a name from the majority and then if someone objects when on their would elim pile it’s a red flag.

[Towelie]

you're not someone i spend all of day1 fighting with as scum

I guess my thoughts on that"

1) at the time, i might've looked limmable. maybe i still do. if you think I am, there's motivation for you to try.
2) even if you do not, I don't really accept the premise that it's never the right play to fight w/ someone you don't think is limmable
3) I don't really feel like you're trying to read me still. What are we scum for atm?

-b

[Critter]

It gets away from the “I townread them” crap too. Either you’re willing to elim someone or you’re not and it forces stances.

[Something_Smart]

It also doesn't allow people to qualify their choices or express preferences. I'm really not sure it would be as useful as asking for reads.

[Critter]

Take you VFT you’re the main wagon

lld
critter, gamma
wisdom
dunn, mush
strangematter, ssbm
emmi, something smart
towelie
mm

That’s you’re reads list. Where is your cutoff for would elim?

[Towelie]

It gets away from the “I townread them” crap too. Either you’re willing to elim someone or you’re not and it forces stances.

Yeah I’m firstly a PoE player, and this can be backed up by most of the game

I’m good, thanks though.

[Critter]

It also doesn't allow people to qualify their choices or express preferences. I'm really not sure it would be as useful as asking for reads.

That’s exactly the point.

Other posts can express nuance and be read for such and see where shit lines up. But end of the day this is a snapshot and “this is where I am” and you can’t do like “maybes”

[Critter]

It gets away from the “I townread them” crap too. Either you’re willing to elim someone or you’re not and it forces stances.

Yeah I’m firstly a PoE player, and this can be backed up by most of the game

I’m good, thanks though.

So am I and that’s my PoE of would elim.

What’s you’re PoE of would elim?

[Something_Smart]

So you're going to get people making arbitrary decisions that they don't believe in and that's not going to tell you much.

[Venus Fly Trap]

you're not someone i spend all of day1 fighting with as scum

I guess my thoughts on that"

1) at the time, i might've looked limmable. maybe i still do. if you think I am, there's motivation for you to try.
2) even if you do not, I don't really accept the premise that it's never the right play to fight w/ someone you don't think is limmable
3) I don't really feel like you're trying to read me still. What are we scum for atm?

-b

1. that's not exactly how i work, i bucket people into 'would try to lim', 'will try to nk' for the most part, you're pretty strictly in the latter group unless i have a compelling reason otherwise (ahem, townreading me in elo)

2. i mean fair enuf but i'm telling u that's not how i would approach u (or really most people, i don't pick silly fights with people in the latter group as scum for the most part, becaue the way to handle them is townread + nk and/or try-to-avoid + nk)

3. a. think you're trying to find reasons to scumread me at this point / don't think ur scumread on me is real
b. i don't like that you guys were pushing critter so hard there when you had spotted the soft, or your reasons for still pushing him
c. i think u look buddy-ish with mm and don't like your progression on them or your initial townread on them
d. honestly at this point i don't feel like i've got much to like or townread and a lot of things i don't like

[Critter]

So you're going to get people making arbitrary decisions that they don't believe in and that's not going to tell you much.

Oh no they do believe in them. They’ll be forced into making those tough choices they don’t want to quantify.

Am I okay if X is elimmed? Really?

Then if they compare it to their read wall and go “yeah I am good” or “wtf I am off somewhere”.

Players do read walls all the time. It’s just a matter of a simple line of “okay here or under I am willing to elim” I don’t see what the issue is.

[Venus Fly Trap]

Take you VFT you’re the main wagon

lld
critter, gamma
wisdom
dunn, mush
strangematter, ssbm
emmi, something smart
towelie
mm

That’s you’re reads list. Where is your cutoff for would elim?

emmi's row and below, with ss being the border between the 2 groups
but i'm again just gonna point out that the broader exercise is probably not going to go anywhere just now

[Venus Fly Trap]

have i played with u before btw?

[Critter]

have i played with u before btw?

I have played with a majority of the list here before. I don’t want to say who I have and haven’t played with SS I would like my alt to last a few games.

[Critter]

have i played with u before btw?

I have played with a majority of the list here before. I don’t want to say who I have and haven’t played with as I would like my alt to last a few games.

Wth autocorrect

[Towelie]

@skitter

I mean I feel like 3a has been explained to death, don't get your beef w/ 3b, don't understand 3c at all; just trying to get pooky to fucking post, was voting him at the time too, fail to see how that's a buddy move, and for someone who both in the past has read me great on meta and alluded to wanting to do so here you're sure...not even attempting to get to the stuff that i'm sure you'd like if you did.

These takes all feel bizarre.

Maybe we'll dance some other time but I feel like this is an impasse.

-b