Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[Deimos27]

In a pool of {redtea, Kop, NM} that's enough to guarantee Kop being scum. In a pool of {Noraa, redtea, Kop, NM) it guarantees at least 1 scum in {Noraa, Kop}

I don't follow this conclusion.

List out the combinations of two player teams in each set and you will observe that after excluding NM + redtea the first set only comprises combinations with Kop in them and the second set only comprises combinations with Kop or Noraa in them.

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[Save The Dragons]

im here now

[Vulture]

I don't think hard distancing is the way scum act here when we're royally chasing our tails.

I don’t feel this game is tail-chasing in particular and with individual suspicion on both it’s an option.

...despite that, I’m not 100% sure it is S/S. Just had that awkward pivot where Noraa said “actually, these reasons work on redtea, anyone wanna bite?”

Could also be max 1 scum in them and it’s genuine pushing on one another. Dunno.

[Deimos27]

I don't think hard distancing is the way scum act here when we're royally chasing our tails.

Yeah I also feel like even though Noraa definitely strikes me as someone who's capable of sacrificing redtea to try to carry the rest of the game I don't quite see why they would choose to do so when neither they nor redtea were actually looking exceptionally likely as elims.

I do struggle to take off that tin hat though and will be continuing to reflect on it

[Vulture]

To build a little tinfoil hut here, I guess one motivation could be they killed 1/5 on the Dorsey wagon and didn’t feel comfortable pushing on NM or Norwee.

Meh, feels weak even as I typed it lol.

[Deimos27]

The crazy thing is that if I think redtea vs Noraa isn't distancing

nor

redtea voting NM

nor

vulture now voting redtea is distancing then I'm committed to the view that redtea is town and I don't feel like that's something I'm ready to accept at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi STD, thoughts?

[Deimos27]

Not something I'm ready to put confidence in anyway

[Vulture]

I’m a townie birdie. You’ll warm up to it.

[Tamora's Angel]

The crazy thing is that if I think redtea vs Noraa isn't distancing

nor

redtea voting NM

nor

vulture now voting redtea is distancing then I'm committed to the view that redtea is town and I don't feel like that's something I'm ready to accept at all.

I'm sorry for asking but we have wildly different communicating styles. Can you go slower?

[Deimos27]

If redtea is scum they must be scum with someone.

If I tr you and Norwee you're both excluded.

I'm excluded.

If Noraa, NM and Kop(Vulture) are all excluded for varying instances of "this can't be distancing" then there's no one left for a partner so redtea would be town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I myself am not a big fan of associative clearing, since you can easily reach the wrong conclusion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What are these interactions of "not distancing"?

[Vulture]

all I have to say is I'm wary of trying to read Deimos early after our last game so I'm not gonna have anything there for a while.

otherwsie- nope
but I can see how many people I can convince to vote nm with me VOTE: notmafiaVOTE: notmafiaVOTE: notmafiaVOTE: notmafia

Is the first elimination always town? Because how are you supposed to know who's who?

Majority of the time it is town because town have the majority. But it's not exactly a bad thing if it does end up being town who is eliminated, it can sometimes end up for the greater good.

Two words: temporal scope.

If redtea said that it's likelier for town to be eliminated

today

because

they

are the majority, I'd be jumping for joy. But given that they instead made the generalised claim that town is

always

the likelier elimination, I see "they" as a far more natural and grammatical pronoun than "we", because games where redtea either isn't playing or isn't town-aligned are included in "always".

This is a town post, with a town perspective/mindset.

I haven't read up and dont really plan to but idk what ur on. NM has some pretty sexy reads despite the fact that he doesn't post much. So get ur facts straight.

VOTE: Noraa

This pinging me.

This is pinging me.

I'm sure you are not mafia

Do u have READS

I don't feel the need to respond to redtea's posts this page because I think Norwee summarised my point very well here.

And it's not just "do you have reads", it's "where have you shown that you are trying to generate reads", y'know.

I get that most of the content so far is RVS and there are other players who have lacking analysis but redtea is one of us who has posted the most so I was hoping for

something

from them.

I'm afraid you expect too much.
Also the answer to "where" is "nowhere" except in response to kop #163 recently and Dorsey #121-#122.

looking at Dorsey's iso, I was hella ignored so
VOTE: Dorsey

That question goes for everyone else too actually.

I've played one game in recent memory with a50 and that's ongoing iirc.
why?

I refuse to believe Dorsey's town flip and will play the rest of the game believing this is a 3 scum set-up

same tbh umu

VOTE: Not_Mafia

lmao
why

didn't have any better ideas or?

fair enough ig
VOTE: Not_Mafia so he can show up and do something so I can unvote him again

nm death tunneled dunn in true love 1028 from the get go and he was on the money and i never forgot

then again it was like three months ago or something

enough
VOTE: Nora's
if you flip town I won't be happy

...redtea is softballing the NM stuff and always moves elsewhere so I don’t think redtea/NM(Dragons) is ruled out.

Especially since redtea didn’t go “cool!” or something to Tamara voting NM but went “why?” which doesn’t... match the mindset of “let’s kill NM!”

[Deimos27]

What are these interactions of "not distancing"?

Currently we have both Noraa and vulture pushing redtea.

Redtea's vote on NM today was something I was advocating as "not distancing" but when compared to the other two pushes I just listed it does pale.

[Deimos27]

fair enough ig
VOTE: Not_Mafia so he can show up and do something so I can unvote him again

Ok ngl I did not remember it being framed like this.
Serves me right for not going back and reading.
That's really really really soft.

[Vulture]

Fresh eyes help.

[Vulture]

Redtea/NM is the new cool solve.

[Deimos27]

STD chime in

[Save The Dragons]

deimos town
norwee town
norra scum

[Save The Dragons]

don't like "i wouldn't have hammered as scum!" + "i didn't realize i was the hammer!" + "aha i've caught you now, deimos!"

[Save The Dragons]

plus "kop town" could be TMI

but i also think kop/vulture is town so grain of salt on that one

[Save The Dragons]

not sure about TA but i guess the we vs. they pronoun thing probably comes from town

[Save The Dragons]

guess that means it's noraa and redtea