Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[Noraa]

i sort of think redtea might be town right now.

[Vulture]

Gonna have to spell it out.

[Noraa]

the overall speed of this wagon is really slow when most people agree with it.
if red tea is scum, p sure I know who the buddy is.
but i think vulture needs to go today instead now.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: redtea E-1

i don't think it's slow because he's town i think it's slow because people are being cautious

[NorwegianboyEE]

the overall speed of this wagon is really slow when most people agree with it.

Where are you even going with this?

[Noraa]

er that was worded very poorly

what i meant was that it seems too perfect to be real. my main thing is that i think redtea would've moved the vote off of me by now if scum. no reason to not get some supporters in a time like this. they just aren't trying at all to get TRs and it doesn't feel right.

[Noraa]

if anyone hammers before everyone checks in, thats a scum claim because E-1 is written very clearly there this time.

[Vulture]

So, everyone agrees that redtea is a good elim, but then I need to specifically die for it because...?

I think everyone's giving redtea the time to actually do something to try and defend themselves but they're not. Reads more like low WIM scum.

[Save The Dragons]

I think everyone's giving redtea the time to actually do something to try and defend themselves but they're not. Reads more like low WIM scum.

yeah

[NorwegianboyEE]

if anyone hammers before everyone checks in, thats a scum claim because E-1 is written very clearly there this time.

Look who’s talking.

[Noraa]

I kinda think ur the scum out of the two right now. I could be wrong and I guess we should hope I am otherwise tomorrow is elo. It reads more like town who doesn't know wtf to do than low WIM scum to me at least.

[Noraa]

if anyone hammers before everyone checks in, thats a scum claim because E-1 is written very clearly there this time.

Look who’s talking.

no one said it was e-1. i was not aware. very different situation than what is happening here.

[Vulture]

I kinda think ur the scum out of the two right now. I could be wrong and I guess we should hope I am otherwise tomorrow is elo. It reads more like town who doesn't know wtf to do than low WIM scum to me at least.

Okay so you're calling me scum but you're not actually saying why.

[Noraa]

like today is happening after yesterdays accidental hammer, a warning for E-1, and now a warning from me.
No one should be accidentally hammering today there is no reason.

[Save The Dragons]

i was always going to vote redtea here i was just waiting for him to try to change my mind or something else to happen to make me reconsider but it's not happening

[Noraa]

I kinda think ur the scum out of the two right now. I could be wrong and I guess we should hope I am otherwise tomorrow is elo. It reads more like town who doesn't know wtf to do than low WIM scum to me at least.

Okay so you're calling me scum but you're not actually saying why.

I dont scum read you as much as I think redtea cant be scum.

[Vulture]

Okay so, you've thought about it, you think redtea has a chance to be scum, you have an idea of who's scum with them.

But you still want to kill me... even though you're also admitting that you don't really scumread me...?

[Vulture]

Started here:

Ok actually redtea's ISO is much worse than I originally thought now having read thru some of it after looking for that quote.

Basically all of redteas iso is just agreeing with someone or shading people.

spicy idea

Nope. That's not the problem.

I don't reference ongoing or use things I can't point to. How do you think you've changed?

tfw you hit submit a second too late

fair enough

(this isn't copy-pasted from my other post like this, this is paraphrased using my memory):

Spoiler:

I've been trying to find a balance between more casual play and tryharding, because doing the latter all the time gets stressful eventually bc of the expectations I put on myself; knowing the effect lurking can have on your slot is additional pressure. In an effort to keep having fun, I've been experimenting with my playstyle, to mixed results. I'm still figuring it out the ideal effort/fun/results ratio.

I haven't read up and dont really plan to but idk what ur on. NM has some pretty sexy reads despite the fact that he doesn't post much. So get ur facts straight.

true facts

, he hasn't led me astray yet I think.
Then again I don't know if I've played against scum!NM recently if at all. For all I know scum!NM can't even be found without finding his buddies first. That's the impression I've been getting from others.

I want to vote the monkey. There's evidence to suggest he's evil, and his personality is not preferable.

VOTE: Almost50

Lol jk VOTE: Kop Let's figure out who's bad

I have time, let's talk. What should we discuss?

what made kop seem like a better start over a50?

personally, i keep trying to see if nm can be sorted early but i haven't been able to get that to happen yet.

Even for page 6 I think you are concerningly IIoA. There's an obsessiveness with self-meta and a complete absence of any semblance of an attempt to sort another player

Maybe because that's exactly what I was doing? Specifically shooting down weird analysis with easily accessible information?

okay, never mind. You're right.

It's only worth anything if meta is something someone wants to or has the time to do. And if they don't then yeah, what I'm saying is useless. If I had accompanying commentary that didn't require that extra reading it would be one thing, but I didn't.

I got annoyed people don't automatically want to play the way I'm playing and it was dumb. If you pings were felt from whatever was in my first few posts you got pings. And if you get pings from THIS post, that's how it is.

I apologize.

looking at Dorsey's iso, I was hella ignored so
VOTE: Dorsey

eek

is nm pocketing me?

Nah, I'm good

mod should let me vote twice just for this

shade

Norwee how much have you played with Noraa

A couple of games.

Upon re-reading D1 I shouldn't have bothered asking because you are likely town

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

[quote="In"post 287, Noraa"]

Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?

almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.

what Deimos said about this

but also like, he clearly made that first comment BEFORE isoing aka "looking back at" almost50, sooo what's your deal exactly?

SHADE

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunately

this sounds ridiculous and if you want anyone to take it seriously you better do some PbPA

Shade~

Nora's post sounds baseless and omgus

Shade ^^

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

So are you null on him rn or what?

functionally

So you saying you think my play is townie but that is something you think is scummy for me?

Sorta
I thiiiink if you sound towny but relatively sober (not in an alcohol consumption sense), that points towards scum!you

Shade~~

fair enough ig

VOTE: Not_Mafia so he can show up and do something so I can unvote him again

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I actually think the reason I think Deimos is scum applies much better to redtea here. Like all those votes look opportunistic as fuck and they're unwilling to give a single straight up read?? That iso is PACKED with shade.

Like the thing is. Redtea is clearly reading. But they aren't actually contributing anything to the game. All of the posts are agreeing with shit that doesn't matter or shading people/refusing to actually give reads. The level of engagement with the thread and the 1 dimensional reads do not match up ESPECIALLY given that join date. Like there really is no excuse here. You wanna mark Deimos off as stubborn town, sure I can believe it. This is really different. This has nothing to do with stubbornness. This is clear engagement with the thread and no legitimate thought process besides pocketing and poking around looking for soft spots

Ok here lets rise the stakes because I think I'm definitely right. If redtea is town, elim me tomorrow.
I dont think I'm wrong because this behavior just doesn't come from town.

Actually thats sort of game throwing idk if I can say that but that's how certain I am. Redtea's play checks off all the boxes in the scum checklist here. agreeable, floaty, shady, uncertain, every. single. box.

To here:

the overall speed of this wagon is really slow when most people agree with it.
if red tea is scum, p sure I know who the buddy is.
but i think vulture needs to go today instead now.

er that was worded very poorly

what i meant was that it seems too perfect to be real. my main thing is that i think redtea would've moved the vote off of me by now if scum. no reason to not get some supporters in a time like this. they just aren't trying at all to get TRs and it doesn't feel right.

I kinda think ur the scum out of the two right now. I could be wrong and I guess we should hope I am otherwise tomorrow is elo. It reads more like town who doesn't know wtf to do than low WIM scum to me at least.

Like what is this change. Lol.

[Noraa]

yeah essentially. redtea has done absolutely nothing to pressure. they haven't budged a single bit and thats pretty insane for scum to do.
even if i do think they could be scum with certain people and dont really scum read you, i still think redtea isn't likely scum.

everyone has a chance to be scum so that doesn't apply

[Noraa]

Like what is this change. Lol.

redteas iso is bad. their reaction to pressure is extremely concerning in a very different way and it's been bothering me for a while why everyone just agrees it's scummy. Because when everyone agrees someone is scum, it's either horrible scum or just town.

[Vulture]

I actually think the reason I think Deimos is scum applies much better to redtea here. Like all those votes look opportunistic as fuck and they're unwilling to give a single straight up read?? That iso is PACKED with shade.

Like the thing is. Redtea is clearly reading. But they aren't actually contributing anything to the game. All of the posts are agreeing with shit that doesn't matter or shading people/refusing to actually give reads. The level of engagement with the thread and the 1 dimensional reads do not match up ESPECIALLY given that join date. Like there really is no excuse here.

You wanna mark Deimos off as stubborn town, sure I can believe it. This is really different. This has nothing to do with stubbornness. This is clear engagement with the thread and no legitimate thought process besides pocketing and poking around looking for soft spots

yeah essentially.

redtea has done absolutely nothing to pressure. they haven't budged a single bit and thats pretty insane for scum to do.

even if i do think they could be scum with certain people and dont really scum read you, i still think redtea isn't likely scum.

everyone has a chance to be scum so that doesn't apply

[Noraa]

those dont clash

[Vulture]

Like what is this change. Lol.

redteas iso is bad. their reaction to pressure is extremely concerning in a very different way and it's been bothering me for a while why everyone just agrees it's scummy. Because when everyone agrees someone is scum, it's either horrible scum or just town.

So you admit you dislike their iso enough to case it. You think they're very concerning. You wonder why most people agree that it's scummy?

Because, the majority of people in this game are town, who are recognizing scummy behavior. Redtea, if scum,

is not doing anything that a partner can defend.

[Vulture]

It's literally the town nodding because their iso is bad and then their partner not having anything they can do/salvage from the iso so they nod along too, and said partner doesn't hammer because oh, people are willing to give redtea time to try, so they can try to see what happens.

[Noraa]

I agree the iso is bad. And I stand by that 100%.
The reaction to the scum reads is strange and it makes more sense that it's just town than anything else because of how weird it is. Like when it was just me, the OMGUS was pretty bad but like if they do it to everyone, then it's not an AI thing. And that's exactly what has been happening here.