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[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually, I'd like to just kill Cephrir.

Wisdom, thoughts?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also why does Galron use this role on

1. Skybird, who is very unlikely to die
2. Whemestar, who claimed FN and was going to confirm himself to someone at night anyway making him a waste to try and clear

Both pretty bad picks for this hypothetical role imo

~Spiffy

I could kinda see the logic in picking the closest-to-confirmed confirmed town player (Wheme) as a check on a player you suspect (Skybird), but that doesn't line up with the explanation he just gave

you're right though, we should just kill this

I agree with the logic of why it was a bad choice, but not the end resolution you came to.

It makes no sense to kill this. We have to hunt elsewhere no matter what. If Galron is scum, their ability is to steal money. I'm not too concerned about that, as an ability.

I think it's worth using this time to hunt elsewhere and play the odds about parity cop instead of just killing them.

[Off The Hook]

HOLD IT!

Galron, why did you think Skybird was a possible kill?

-GE

Starting with 176 I thought she was kind of townie. It was essentially a crapshoot.

okay, but like, skybird was widely SR, why not someone like Luke or Pav?

Luckily this is not a court of law

~Spiffy

If this were a court of law, I'd Rule 56 you and get atty fees for it.

Titus can u explain this for me bestie

-GE

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it's correct to kill them here either way. It's worth getting another result or seeing scum shoot them for us.

I think I would rather kill Dunnstral

We agree then, im staying om dunn

You're right, probably better to elim me for no reason than to get the guy who visited the night kill

[Dunnstral]

Oh and the robbed player to boot, both at the same time. That's too much of a coincidence to let live.

VOTE: Galron

[Dunnstral]

You're right, probably better to elim me for no reason than to get the guy who visited the night kill

Literally no reason:

vote:Dunnstral

And "He hasn't done much":

let's talk about who we want to elim today

Dunn maybe? He hasn't done much

[Dunnstral]

hmmm

I'd say in general the odds of Galron choosing to peek at exactly both a player that was killed and a player that was robbed are really low and so I don't think it's still really likely that his claim is true or that he's town

however due to my role I will track him again tonight so if I live to D3 I can confirm it tomorrow, therefore I'm not sure if I'm fully opposed to letting him live today, but I want to think about it. @Galron, can you use this ability every night?

I can upgrade to rolecop if I have enough gold, and I can't use the comparing ability then.

Rolecop is not a stronger role than parity cop

[Cephrir]

i failed to read the second half of 1340

this is scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, shrug. I don't believe the claim but I've seen worse claims be true.

It's mechanically correct and correct from a game theory perspective to leave them and hunt elsewhere here but I'm honestly not up for trying to argue that with this town. I've already talked too much for my liking.

[GuiltyLion]

wait also, Galron claimed to be robbed himself, so he shouldn't have enough gold to upgrade to Rolecop yet. I would expect to see him do another parity cop check tonight if he were town with no money, the fact that he tried to imply that he can't due to potentially upgrading his role is just a lie.

[Wisdom]

Actually, I'd like to just kill Cephrir.

Wisdom, thoughts?

Sure, wouldn't mind at all

[Wisdom]

Also dunn is still scum

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2-5

Galron

(7): GuiltyLion, Skybird, Pavowski, Cephrir, Lukewarm, Titus, Dunnstral

Dunnstral

(2): Lady Lambdadelta, Wisdom

Titus

(1): Galron

Off The Hook

(1): Child of Fairies

Wisdom

(1): Yorick

Not Voting

(4): DeasVail, Off The Hook, Bowser Jr., Icebox

With 15 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate.

Deadline: November 10, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-11-10 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Wisdom]

You're right, probably better to elim me for no reason than to get the guy who visited the night kill

You're right, its better because youre scum and hes not

[Off The Hook]

hungry for calamari, luke?

OTH -- can you two come to an agreement? Gamma, what makes me town? Marci, why am I scummy?

eh i had reasons, but i dont think i agree that ur scum anymore.

one hypothesis I had is that I think scum would have been more likely to throw some token shade/distancing towards Galron today rather than actually step up to defend him or profess a townread (done by others like Lukewarm, Bell, DV). I didn't like this post because it feels like it's meant to get in my good graces / disassociate from Galron more than it is actually help get him eliminated. OTH has been a target of suspicion and picking up votes and yet they still hadn't voted Galron (or anybody at all) through most of D2, that's a bad look

gammas kinda right, i didnt rlly wanna vote galron when me and gamma were at a disagreey stage
but also when i said that i could see galron being scum i wasn't hella confident in it.

Spoiler:

i wasnt confident because (473, 474) made me feel bad for him : - (

"still havent voted anybody" : - ( i dont like voting when im not confident : - (

i mean if he has a good claim we can discuss not killing him idk what the concern is with some votes

I think we should probably just kill this. Yes, he did produce, like, the only thing you can claim in this scenario. I don't know that I loved the delivery of it.

i think these are not best vibes..

Um I am definitely limming the player who was tracked to someone killed, someone stolen from, and loverized to an extremely obvtown player

We are not letting Galron live today.

~Spiffy

I refuse to believe he as Town COINCIDENTALLY targeted two players that bad things happened to last night

The fact that anyone is considering letting him live today is laughable

~Spiffy

i think having this mindset is not a good thing, i think sometimes coincidences do happen
i dont want galron to die today ee

~M★

[Wisdom]

Vote dunn with us or Ceph if you prefer and we'll join you

[Off The Hook]

VOTE: Dunnstral
I’m feeling like the points against Galron aren’t enough to condemn him when his claim could do some good imo
Dunnstral meanwhile has felt consistently scummy even after his PR dropped
marci also sus ceph and I’m lean town on him but also a bit tbd

-GE

[Icebox]

I'm tired, should I claim.
Also, Galron being a parity cop would be pretty funny. If it weren't so sad.

-Bell

[Icebox]

I don't think me claiming would help much of anything, but maybe it would help with some puzzle pieces.

-Bell

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral meanwhile has felt consistently scummy even after his PR dropped

My what

[Icebox]

What are the odds the loverizer is puck.

-Bell

[Dunnstral]

Since when has OTH thought I was "consistently scummy"?

They didn't mention this at all

[Icebox]

You're always consistently scummy. It goes without saying

-Bell

[Off The Hook]

I posted a full set of reads mid-D1 in private chat and my feelings on Dunn then were that he felt scummy but the post restriction was potentially also pissing me off
Now that the PR isn’t active I still don’t like what Dunn is posting so I’m willing to actually act on that

-GE

[Dunnstral]

ok felt scummy why?