Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[Gammagooey]

i just want to take a moment to say that it has been a very challenging game

but you're all wonderful people and it is a pleasure to be with you here at endgame

so let's take a deep breath and compose ourselves and do the best we can

let's make the ending of this a great one

also agree

and also my laptops about to run out of batteries and i should walk dog and get lunch
so i'll be back in a while

[Taly]

also UTR = universal townread

dont know how some of you OLD players have kept up with the jargon

p-edit

melting down, only

peta

respects my need to take a breather

*throws toilet paper at Ggy*

[Taly]

*blows raspberry at Gammagooey*

[Taly]

*farts with the intention to silence Ggy for good*

[Taly]

te rechazo felino

[Ydrasse]

stress selling turnips in ac to deal with this game

[Taly]

One final post from phone before break

hello hello

the nominees are Ydrasse followed by Taly, which shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone except maybe Ydrasse given the Heaven PT

my instinct is that yeeting them both wins the game

I don't like your approach here.

You KNOW that

Ydra/Taly

must contain AT LEAST ONE town.

So why be OK with yeeting 2 players in a situation that could actually be elo?

You're not counting the fact that we have only seen one of two of scums sabotages in play.

You're also not counting the fact that you could be wrong in your final solve.

So this positing reads as your priority of elimination to be higher than finding the final scum.

Which is a big red flag.

[Taly]

It's optimal to consistently express

"Nay"

when the thought could cross a player's mind because we could actively be preventing a mislim.

And since there is only 1 scum left, there's no reason to be weary of scum protecting a partner.

So there's no impulse for town to want to just lim nominees when a solve contradicts otherwise... like only having 1 scum left but wanting to lim 2 for a

"win"

.

[Taly]

TWEETIE!!

What happens if both nominees TIE in number of

"Yays"

?

Do they both die? Is it because of the nom order? Do they both survive?

[Taly]

You know what

I'm gatekeeping this shit further.

Anybody who votes

"Yay"

for both nominees is either gamethrowing or scumclaiming.

There is NO middle ground.

[Taly]

Mafia can kiss my rainbow feathered ass this game

[Taly]

But Ily

Ggy <3

[petapan]

gammagooey coming into the game as scum and bussing skitter like that would be unbelievable sicko mode

my impression of gammagooey as scum, based on a little reading of old games so far, is that he will bus when he feels it's necessary, but would not necessarily do so out of the blue and won't just distance unprompted


and i don't know the amount of stones it would take to come in and think you have a better ability to carry than

skitter

this is a shower thought type of post i will do due diligence and review

but the way that slot was treated by scum would be just so bizarre

[Taly]

I don't think it's bizarre. Scum needs an endgame. If

Ggy

tunnels a partner and enters a townbloc, he is in no better position than to assert whatever narrative necessary to seal a game win.

[Taly]

current reads are like
probtown: dwlee, Gypxyx, Ulyana
slightly town to varying degrees: Taly, Cakez, peta, Gemerald
scummish: Infinity, Toog, Saber, Ydrasse
fight me scummo: Skitter

His reads literally have not changed this game.

[petapan]

i also think, potentially, letting 2 people die is a trap, so to speak

the assumption is okay just run down the POE so we get to 3p instead of 4p, right

but we have no idea what the final event will be, you can't assume it'll work like old fashioned mafia

it's possible that having 3 town alive instead of 2 if it gets there is an advantage and this is playing off that

that's my guess anyway

[Taly]

And before its suggested that my pushback on

Ggy

was somehow planned- I genuinely believed the game would end on a

Titus/Cakez

scumflip.

But

Ggy

never outright leaned into

Cakez

scum - whereas you and I hopped around his slot in a tailspin to figure out his alignment.

Which POV do you think has more information?

And do you think

Me/Ggy

could be TvT?

[Taly]

i also think, potentially, letting 2 people die is a trap, so to speak

the assumption is okay just run down the POE so we get to 3p instead of 4p, right

but we have no idea what the final event will be, you can't assume it'll work like old fashioned mafia

it's possible that having 3 town alive instead of 2 if it gets there is an advantage and this is playing off that

that's my guess anyway

I don't know what you mean here.

If you're saying that having 3 town V 2 town in the final event is an advantage for town, then I whole heartedly agree with that - that's what I'm saying.

[petapan]

I don't think it's bizarre. Scum needs an endgame. If

Ggy

tunnels a partner and enters a townbloc, he is in no better position than to assert whatever narrative necessary to seal a game win.

in a vacuum it is

possible

but my read on gammagooey as a player is that he wouldn't do it unless there was some bizarre continuity passed down the two previous people that occupied that slot

[petapan]

And before its suggested that my pushback on

Ggy

was somehow planned- I genuinely believed the game would end on a

Titus/Cakez

scumflip.

But

Ggy

never outright leaned into

Cakez

scum - whereas you and I hopped around his slot in a tailspin to figure out his alignment.

Which POV do you think has more information?

And do you think

Me/Ggy

could be TvT?

i think anything's possible, my focus is going to be on backreading for a bit

[petapan]

I think it will be more clear whether we've received a benefit when we know more about the event.

so you'd default to gamma being exempt from duel to determine after if we've received benefit?

hm, i think this makes some sense, though if gamma is a scums that leaves only 3 for us to hit 2 within with other choices

Putting my thoughts on gamma aside:

If we wanted to eliminate him, we had a chance to do so. We didn't take it. It's nonsense to try to eliminate him again using a seperate game mechanic, it would mean we wasted power

[Ydrasse]

p sure saber flipped on gamma too post-e1

[petapan]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

E-1

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

@galron like 3 posts on top of this u said u werenr sure if gamma is scum + u arent really caughr up / into the game yet. This intent is super premature in that context and doesnt really make sense

Ngl i'm starting to get some cold feet abt gamma
There's been like no resistance, the wagon comp keeps changing, and i dont like how people are popping out of the woodwork to vote him

Trust these people until the end of time: Taly, Infinity, Skitter, Ydrasse
Good folks to keep around: Gypyx, Galron, Sircakez, Pooky
Could do with a touching-up: Saber, Toogeloo, Dwlee
Remove them from the premises: Cephrir, Dunnstral, Ulyana, Petapan

Since I’m not long for this world I may as well leave this as a parting gift.

I think this serves as an express declaration that yes, I have turned my thoughts around on the Gypyx slot somewhat. I also had pings early from Ydrasse but expressly turned that around at a markedly earlier point.
Also, I may not have shown it much in my posting but I was genuinely lost for a time, it just seemed vastly unproductive to make a comment about it rather than working to fix the underlying issues. I am certain I’d have people barking about how I’ve been making a scene about my lack of direction and I’m scum for it if I’d actually been more clear about how lost I’d been when I was struggling with that. So excuse me if I find your viewpoint rather uncharitable.

Ugh idk if scum-gamma feels pressured to lut out a readslidt or is so prickly abt defending the notion that his readslist didnt change

Cephrir?
petapan?

Ydrasse

SirCakez

skitter30
Infinity 324

Toogeloo

Galron

Dunnstral

Question mark means it's like okay to kill them but I'm leaning towards not

Anyone wanna pick a name from this list?

Your kill list has 1 more person from my top tiers than my bottom tiers, and two of the very bottom tier people you have listed are question marks
Not a great PoE imo

Dont know why scum-gamma picks a fight with this when dwlee is offering to wagon someone else tbh

Anyway just pick a name from there and I'll probably vote. If it's a question mark you'll need to give me processing time

Why “processing time”? And out of those names the ones I like best for scum are Cephrir and Dunnstral.
VOTE: Dunnstral
I’ll get things started.

Why ... are you voting dunn over ceph here ...

The game seems stale, and I get the impression that the mechanics are playing a factor

. So getting a flip to see what the hubub is about, even of someone you're unsure about, isn't the end of the world. It seems that Gamma has upped his effort the last day or so, but I don't mind a first day flip of someone I'm even null about in a large game to gain information. But last night, as I was going through things more thoroughly, I could kind of see where Gamma was coming from, and I had some empathy after being so misinterpreted last game.

not sure that flipping gamma is the solution to that problem
and i think town-you would have gone through things more thoroughly to see if you could understand where gamma was coming from before deciding to flip him ...

pedit ok, not sure there's much else for me to say on this then, but i think my position is p clear

i think gamma is looking quite a lot better post prism-tilt-fight thing tbh

There’s also the fact that skitter and Ydrasse, the two people on me I was probably the most keenly aware of via my earlier feelings of sadness at being voted by my TRs (I had a line going through my head during that time about “People That You Like Want to See You Suffer”, and I recently managed to pinpoint that it was an episode title from Survivor) moved to Galron, so I think they at least have good intentions even if I feel skeptical about Galron’s odds of flipping scum.

i'm like 90% sure that ydrasse's vote was to make a point to me and had nothing to do with u

Hi, have your thoughts changed on Gamma any? I believe you said it appeared like he was setting up to execute you and this is why you voted him, but doesn't that mean you shouldn't want him to be 'executed'? Correct me if I'm misremembering any of that.

it felt like he may have been,

and the push on me felt like ungrounded and just to possibly explain future actions

,

but again u can say that about all of his pushes >.>

How did it help make sense of the game for you? The purpose of your wagon was to be the counter to Gamma and many players expressed as much when they voted you. Do you think Gamma's buddies are doing their jobs now?

Could be.

But it could be that Gamma's town and scum were perfectly happy having that wagon. I think the latter is more likely. Having me as a counter makes sense.

Although I haven't analyzed it, I think it probably gives those shy to vote Gamma an outlet. You could probably replace me with a few others and get a similar outcome.

what? if gamma is town why does a counter on you spring up ...?

Nah, Galron may be dealing drugs on the side but Gamma is the shining stagehand. I implore you to vote him.

Is it impossible that both wagons have been largely town-led regardless of Gamma/Galron's alignment? It's almost a distraction to consider what the scumteam as a whole could be doing D1 in this game because they have more information of the chair than the rest of plist.

What do you think the scum has been doing this game?

so from your pov what have scum been doing this phase?

Matadoring Gamma's wagon.

i'm gonna take a rain check and come back to these, i'm sorry, i just can't string together words coherently rn
but will circle back and respond when i can

~
more broadly since we're at a pretty game-critical point, i prefer galron over gamma. i think they can be svs, but i do think galron is almost certainly s and would prefer him
i'm very underwhelmed by dunn but don't know if that ai for him, also think it would be a disappointing way to end the day if we ended up flipping him while we have this gamma/galron thing going on

hopefully i'll be able to say more abt this later

pedit i'll come back to that one too

Its friday and i dont have a lot of time but put me in as a vote-in-spirit for spare. Gamma's thought process in the interim was p damn townie

Also i just want to say that i dont even have words to begin to describe how pissed i was when i saw the pooky kill

Also i think learning what the chair was actually for has a lot of implications for what scum were actually thinking and trying to accomplish for most of day1, assuming that they knew from the start what the chair actually did. There's a few interactions i want to review in light of that

K i'll be back tomorrow night!

Most vocal stagehand or suspicions from Pooky I can see are on Gamma, Dunnstral, and petapan. He also supported a S-S theory for the two leading wagons.

just gonna point out that even though i townread gamma at this point we technically we haven't really seen anything that disproves s/s

if they were actually svs wagons picking your partner and then sabotaging the flip is a great way to make you look unaligned in that situation

uh you're looking at 2 different posts made hundreds of posts apart across several irl days in different gamestates

if you have specific issues about the trajectory and how gamma got from one pov to another that's fine but just saying 'oh he thought something different 600 posts prior!!!1!' is disingenuous

Most vocal stagehand or suspicions from Pooky I can see are on Gamma, Dunnstral, and petapan. He also supported a S-S theory for the two leading wagons.

just gonna point out that even though i townread gamma at this point we technically we haven't really seen anything that disproves s/s

if they were actually svs wagons picking your partner and then sabotaging the flip is a great way to make you look unaligned in that situation

While I agree with this, a

Gamma/Galron

duel feels both like something scum would predict and a rehash from the chair vote. I'd like to see new contestants in the hot seat.

yeah i'm not saying we should force that to be today's duel or anything but just noting that i don't think anything happened to contravene the svs theory

i had no real opinion on the wagons and voted gamma to make dueling wagons

- still hate teh gamma e1 vote
- i was under the impression u were strongly scumreading gamma, no? that's what you were telling me before

If you don't feel particularly convinced about Cakez skitter you could weigh in on the other subjects on Gamma's wagon for me

it is weird that you are weighting the gamma wagon towards scum when a) your slot was on the wagon and more importantly b) your slot was the opposing wagon

yeah i was thinkign this too
i'm not sure why gamma's wagon is the focus and not galron's

wait what

whose consensus

Is this @ me
I already explained I kinda echo chamber’d myself

no it was me agreeing with ulayana's reaction

holding onto the read means that a) i'm claiming pets and gypyx are both scum but i townread peta or b) gypyx is scummy for having a thought process that town also had which is pretty questionable

fair enough

Mindmelding is not as much of a towntell as the memes would suggest

?

They were already getting an extra free kill if Gamma is scum and just gets to execute whoever the hell they want lol

well, not if scum-gamma wants to live afterwards?

how many scum do you think are in the pink room, skitter

Max 1, i would be shocked if there were more than that

I wanted peta, unwnd/nu-gamma, or saber. From the blue room i'm townreading gamma and cakez the most, and ydra/gypyx to a lesser extent.

My room was all over the place and i cant imagine a 6 person pt with 2+ scum being unable to cough up a 3 person wagon, which we were utterly unable to do

Also i am significantly more sus of taly after the pt, i would just like to say
Toog did look better in the pt too fwiw

@gammagooey i see ur question but realistically will not be able to get to it until tomorrow , just fyi

I feel like it’s possible 2 scum were in the pink room and since the wagon was landing on Infinity, who is sussing Saber, the scum in the pink room just wanted an opponent that wouldn’t get votes over infinity.

That's a, uh, outlandish theory

Okay so very recently
Can I point out that aside from infinity herself, no one has said they’re voting peta? I’m also the only one who’s voted to abstain. And we’re worried about scum manipulation of the ballot

how exactly

?

i'm voting peta and think that something fuck-y happened in your pt for infinity to be the nom now when it doesn't seem like that many people are scumreading them anyways

i'm feeling the best abt gammaemerald ydra and dwlee presently, and they definitely should cross

SKITTER can you give me like a timeline/summary of who you were suspecting and how strongly through events 1-3? (also I might just call them days 1 and 2 later because that feels correct to me)

I still want this when you have time btw. I don't really understand your read progression on either of peta or infinity at the moment and going through some of your thoughts about them (and any other strong reads) from previous days would help me out a lot with that

basically day1 i was mostly suspicious of your slot (the galron iteration) - he wanted to flip gamma without having a read there and wasn't really trying to solve, and felt just generally lacking as compared to radiobuzz . i didn't like unwnd's entrance, felt like he was trying to make cakez flippable, and felt like his approach to solving to the game didn't make much sense from a town-him's pov. i didn't really see the posting in the blue pt that people are raving about but your iteration seems a little bit better from what i've seen here.

infinity i was kinda suspicious of early game for not really trying to read me. in prior games they would make it a priority to try to solve me and would read me off of how i was trying to read them but that whole interaction/dance wasn't really happening this game, which made me somewhat suspicious because i thougth town-them would almost always do that, while scum-them would be a little too gun-shy to do that
i started feeling better abt her ~mid-day2 iirc because they were just kinda making good observations at the right time, and seemed to be trying to solve, and trying to help other people solve
and ultimately i don't think they end up on dunn eod there, i don't think they cast that vote to put a partner in the duel there

the other gamma is fairly obviously town from how he went about his decision in the chair phase.

cakez i've liked for most of the game despite a whole bunch of people trying to flip him earlier. his thinking was admittedly ~shallow~ but i think it was genuine and more a product of being busy he was irl - i liked how open he was about his thought processes, about how annoyed he was about how fast the game was moving, and he was just very guileless overall

peta i didn't really have thoughts on for most of day1, the phase where dunn got nommed i really didn't like his cakez push because i felt like he ought to have been townreading cakez by that point, and i didn't like how he dropped it in favor of dunn at the time that he did. i may have gotten a little tunneled, i realized over the night.

ydra i don't think interacts responds to unwnd's push on her the way she did as scum. there's no reason there for her to really have such an aggressive emotional response as scum, but i think it makes sense if she felt wrongly pushed as town and was annoyed

saber's slot has just kinda been around and just making kinda polished observations without follow-through and without really having an underlying thought process. kinda reminds me of scum-lilith in that way tbh. harley's entrance was focusing on the wrong things and was kinda scummy in that i think it's easier for scum to focus on mechancis in a game like this than figure out what their reads ought to be

i think those are some of the big ones

i'm feeling the best abt gammaemerald ydra and dwlee presently, and they definitely should cross

Dwlee was pushing you+infinity? Mostly infinity but you were also part of that (prolly because of your history)

i think they're absurdly tunneled and haven't gotten over a read they made on like p10. they're posting and solving has been good otherwise

If Dwlee is scum I most certainly don’t wanna reward “tunneling” two slots I sorted as town quite early on and outside of a concern on you via being in a spot I thought scum would be more likely to populate, have continued to be town for me

i'm sorry i don't know if i follow this, can you say it again?

[petapan]

i think gamma is looking quite a lot better post prism-tilt-fight thing tbh

Meh, I still think he has deep pockets. His observations have been trending upwards but it's hard to let go of all the stuff that's already there.

[petapan]

You’re HIGH if you don’t think SOMETHING hinky is going on with Galron. The timing of his vote on me makes ZERO sense.

Why is anyone voting for Galron over Gamma after seeing this post?

The day's approaching stagnation and people want everyone to vote within Gamma/Galron.
Gamma votes for Galron despite thinking it's a misflip.
Galron does the same thing, yet Gamma thinks it's incredibly suspicious for Galron to do essentially the same thing he has?

I see it as Stagehand-Gamma pulling out whatever he can to convince players to vote Galron over him.