Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[petapan]

heya my wim and motivation isn't super high rn but if anyone wants to chat i'm around

fwiw i'm actually feeling better about taly this phase - i kinda like how he keeps newly understanding the rules and how that immediately influences how he's approaching the events/who should cross.

lol that read is so bad wtf

[petapan]

i need to check what taly was saying when the crossing event started - there is obviously heavy incentive in scum not trying to murder each other that phase and maybe wanting to cut down the distancing - i suspect skitter was not happy with harley attacking her like that. i wouldn't be shocked if they were distancing when it was forced between me and infinity but couldn't keep that going during the crossing?

i know i had a brief moment where i backed down on skitter, but when she immediately de-escalated with me it was a huge red flag and i went back to insisting she/firebringer should be left behind for the entire event

[Ydrasse]

taly sounds so serious in that reply to skitter. scawy

[Ydrasse]

(i’m at work and also feel like i am dying and running on no sleep that’s why i haven’t contributed yet but taly sounds very stern in that reply to skitter in a way that’s different than the playfulness of this phase.)

[petapan]

Everybody is voicing the same 3-4 people that they are ok with uncrossing. So why does nobody agree on who should cross?

i think there's a few consensus scumreads so it's easier to find commonality amongst the people who oughtn't be crossing but the top townreads aren't as consensus so it's harder
and there's differieng strategy on how the crossing should work, etc

i don't think we should focus *too* much on the crossing order tbh because scum is just probably going to kill the first person crossing they think is somewhat threatening, it matters more who doesn't cross

pedit i think scum is always incentivized to kill because why wouldn't they take a kill offered, no?

this is some discussion, it doesn't say much to me

There's also a moment where she even mentions choosing crosses so quickly that scum cannot respond effectively, and that's a ballsy POV from scum that does not align with Ydra's otherwise relaxed demeanor.

in the same post she literally said scum-her had suggested something similar in a differnet game

sorry the because was to HQ, not you @taly

i'm saying that you can't townread her for 'that being too ballsy for scum-her to suggest' when we have an example of scum-her doing exactly that
and i think it's well in her range to mention that too

(to be clear i'm not saying i scumread her for it or that she is scum because of this, i'm saying this is a silly reason to townread her)

this is, eh, a post. not really anything to do with harley but i feel like skitter undercutting harley's read again points to ydrasse-town?

[petapan]

Me on

Skitter

rn

hi

why does voting taly thru feel like a mistake lol

i mean i think it's fine but if u think that why are you voting him

and that's where it ends

[petapan]

i don't think i ever not flip taly here over ydrasse, there's some things that make me say eh maybe not, i wouldn't be confident he's scum but there's nothing i find that's explicitly clearing like i do for ydrasse, and skitter's read movement on taly post pink room into crossing is very meh?

[Taly]

I don't know what you're expecting of me

Peta

I'm good with eating the lim if it makes elo easier.

But if you ignore my posts this event phase after my flip, I'm going to be pretty upset.

[Taly]

I could spend another two hours paraphrasing post-by-post my extensive interaction with Skitter in the Pink PT but I don't think that resolves much unless the rest of you want it.

[petapan]

Infinity

, I still love you.

Also omfg I love this event's mechanic. It's fucking delicious.

VOTE: Taly

Let's make this fun.

admittedly this is such a ballsy move in that event if he's scum because if he actually crosses first and doesn't die he looks very bad? but then people might not vote him over

and it's still very confusing from a

town

mindset

[petapan]

I don't know what you're expecting of me

Peta

I'm good with eating the lim if it makes elo easier.

But if you ignore my posts this event phase after my flip, I'm going to be pretty upset.

i dunno, if you're town you just have to leave me something to work with at this point

[Taly]

But if you ignore my posts this event phase after my flip, I'm going to be pretty upset.

I could go back for more analysis but I really don't think

Gamma/Peta/Ydra

are scum here.

And I'm mad that I didn't pull teeth for power in the Heaven PT.

[Taly]

I don't know what you're expecting of me

Peta

I'm good with eating the lim if it makes elo easier.

But if you ignore my posts this event phase after my flip, I'm going to be pretty upset.

i dunno, if you're town you just have to leave me something to work with at this point

Are you reading my posts this event?

I don't know what you mean by

"you just have to leave me with something something work with"

.

I could elaborate or do analysis but I can't read your mind and figure out what helps give you the most clarity because it's not the same method that brings me clarity.

[petapan]

your posts this phase are like super-reactive and don't give me much to work with, it's so hard to think logically that gooey makes more sense than GE based on how the early game played out

and if you had doubts i'm not sure why you hammered gooey?

[petapan]

like your entire thing has just been "gammagooey is scum for trying to lim me" and...i'm sorry, that's not very convincing?

[Taly]

and if you had doubts i'm not sure why you hammered gooey?

The doubt didn't come until I saw Cakez didn't flip red and Ggy's entrance and continuous handwave dismissal of my points him.

[Taly]

like your entire thing has just been "gammagooey is scum for trying to lim me" and...i'm sorry, that's not very convincing?

Wrong. Revisit.

[petapan]

can you just...restate it? or quote it for me?

[Taly]

I could in depth when I get home and have some spare time. But please direct me if there's a better use of my time after this post instead because I have a busy workweek and we don't have long.

But IE,

Ggy's

complacency with limming both

me/ydra

OR just passively seeing how the thread falls is scum indicative because we are at threat of a potential elo and he is not bothering to define his solve further. It reads as him positing since he is in a state of immunity.

Also because his read of

Gamma

is inconsistent eith the fact that he does not try to defend him.

And it's also weird that

Ggy

was OK with being the leader the second I retreated, even though

Gamma

, his original vote for ruler, was never explicitly off the table.

[Taly]

No action itself is too incriminating but the progression tells me that

Ggy

sowed distrust in the townbloc from an informed perspective to endgame.

Because neither the rest of us 3 were combating a cohesive idea that we were a correct townbloc because we had no information to suggest such.

[Taly]

And I'm reactive to

Ggy

here because I feel like his perspective towards me is hypocritical in regards to how he didn't want me to rule, but does what I believe he was paranoid of me doing - being complacent with killing town at the expense of a potential deepwolf final solve.

It's not fair.

[petapan]

But IE, Ggy's complacency with limming both me/ydra OR just passively seeing how the thread falls is scum indicative because we are at threat of a potential elo and he is not bothering to define his solve further. It reads as him positing since he is in a state of immunity.

Also because his read of Gamma is inconsistent eith the fact that he does not try to defend him.

i feel like he's been pretty explicit in his reasoning though, i don't see it as complacent

and he did defend gamma to me in 6564, i don't think he's not trying to at all

and if you're going to attack him for complacency i feel like GE is significantly worse in that regard?

[Taly]

and if you're going to attack him for complacency i feel like GE is significantly worse in that regard?

The difference is incentive.

Why does

Gemerald

give up the opportunity for ruler as scum and and proceed to not :EFFORT: when his choice - me - isn't in the position?

He doesn't have an incentive other than trying to decide a mislim between potential town

Ydra

in his eyes, or obvtown me. So his WIM is tbh understandably fractured especially in light of being suspected.

And town usually get fatigued atp in the game... you and

ydra

fed off of each other's exasperation a few pages ago.

Ggy

just needs enough suspicion on slots outside of himself at this point to ride home a win in elo. If he's town, why doesn't he try to see who the town is between

Ydra

and I? To completely say

"oh, I ordered

Ydra

first nominee and but now I think

Taly

is worse off"

is disingenuous, because we can never verify how he came to this conclusion when he deliberated on his nom choices.

Better yet, since

you/Ydra

think

Gemerald

is very possibly scum, why doesn't

Ggy

give attention to that and surmise a world where it's BAD to have both

Ydra/Taly

at threat of death?

He's yet to convey that - the mentality that I think town should assume in their position. And the fact that I've shoved this in his face and it doesn't click, makes my suspicion stronger.

[Gamma Emerald]

But if you ignore my posts this event phase after my flip, I'm going to be pretty upset.

I could go back for more analysis but I really don't think

Gamma/Peta/Ydra

are scum here.

And I'm mad that I didn't pull teeth for power in the Heaven PT.

You would have had to capitulate on one of those had you been elected ruler though, which one would it have been?

[Taly]

I honestly do not know for sure. I would've spent the full length of time mod gave me to decide.

I would say most likely

Ydra

because I don't want to disrupt townbloc + would want to see if anyone in the townbloc would target Ydra if she were baited in front of them... what I would believe scum would likely do in such a scenario. But also because I would not be sure if

Ydra

truly is scum slipping through the game.

Next is a toss up between you and

Peta

. I would've said you under the justification of wanting to see the revival of Event 1/2 gamestate in the very end.

Peta

for defense of

Ggy

but that's such a shitty argument in game with 1 scum left, so I can't tell how I would've progressed had I gone that route - which is the least likely.