Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[Taly]

For what it's worth, I won't ever get as upset over a game as last page

As scum* oof phone deleting psrts

[Ydrasse]

I did kinda being up my play in the crossing event when mentioning the things I felt I’d done that didn’t really track as scum-motivated. Also I’m kinda at a REALLY low low rn for my mood

hope u feel better

even if there is a call for your blood u don't have to deal with it rn so if you're town gather your strength for the Battle young emerald

[petapan]

Peta, what do you think is more likely?

Gamma-scum wanted to kill off potential mislim Galron and scum stopped this to protect themselves. It could be inferred that Galron was a framing, if Gamma is scum here, but why wasn't that a point of discussion in the duel?

Or

Gamma-town was right in the ballpark of susaing a lot of slots that scum both wanted to kingmake, but they felt a sabotage would be the most effective way at protecting them?

i would be relatively surprised if skitter went all in on bussing galron on day 1 over a town counterwagon while protecting dunn so hard - she'd just as likely bus dunn where he was an easy kill

(if it was a bus, i wouldn't have expected dunn to hang back)

[petapan]

there's something that sprung up in my memory as i was driving - gamma emerald, in the blue PT you listed skitter above infinity in your townreads, but when the wagon momentum swung toward infinity, you protested and said you'd be more willing to compromise on skitter, and even used infinity's reads as justification for suspecting skitter. why is that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also peta if you’re going to play dirty I think it’s only fair to bring up how HQ’s actions affected me. I know her personally and yet she actually said a couple things that felt wounding for me. I’d actually had talks with her before she replaced in because I needed to release the dam on my emotional distress and then she comes in saying how “people who push people out of games make her sick”, and I just feel like I’ve been stabbed in the back!

[petapan]

i get that reads are variable and prone to shifting and list placement is never exact, people's minds can shift around

but it feels like you were SO MUCH more confident on infinity-town than skitter-town

[Taly]

I mean, it's hard to really define any vote in Event 1 as bussing because while we believed it was to hurt a scumread, the team could've known it was for something good

So a motive on why scum was either on a buddy or limbaity is hard to identify.

[petapan]

Also peta if you’re going to play dirty I think it’s only fair to bring up how HQ’s actions affected me. I know her personally and yet she actually said a couple things that felt wounding for me. I’d actually had talks with her before she replaced in because I needed to release the dam on my emotional distress and then she comes in saying how “people who push people out of games make her sick”, and I just feel like I’ve been stabbed in the back!

gamma, i went over the stuff she said to you. it looked theatery. i don't think this was some high level attempt to frame you. not by how basic a lot of her other reads turned out.

[Taly]

Eh I tried to be impartial as I want to not confbias

But Gamma's consistent vex with about half of the plist st any given event phase in this reads as town struggling to have control.

I feel like scum would be better suited to roll with the punches if they ended Event 1 being as townread as Gamma had been.

I mean, why does Gamma scum get pissy when hr fails to defend Infinity? An Infinity townflips vindicates him. So why doesn't he take advantage if he were scum as opposed to just voicing frustration?

Why does he 1v1 with Dwlee if Dwlee is town that could die in the crossing and shade him?

1) why does any scum whiteknight for town? it's for the credit of it all and infinity is a very reasonable person that gamma would go to bat for so it makes sense, and i don't think scum was ever... really in danger of being nommed from our pt, so.

2) and i mean, he's getting called out for his behavior now but it's... to kill a townie, weaken their position, etc? scum inevitably have to fight town in games, and town inevitably has to die... and being shaded versus killing a townie is a worthwhile trade

I don't see a point where Gamma ever capitalizes on WKing Infinity.

Do you think Dwlee's NK was purposeful or just to prevent town's wincon?

[Taly]

i would be relatively surprised if skitter went all in on bussing galron on day 1 over a town counterwagon while protecting dunn so hard - she'd just as likely bus dunn where he was an easy kill

Like bussing in this Cass could've just been Skitter wanting a scum counter for kingmaker, is my point.

[petapan]

i think the dwlee kill was because they were the first to cross and it was simple as that

[Ydrasse]

Eh I tried to be impartial as I want to not confbias

But Gamma's consistent vex with about half of the plist st any given event phase in this reads as town struggling to have control.

I feel like scum would be better suited to roll with the punches if they ended Event 1 being as townread as Gamma had been.

I mean, why does Gamma scum get pissy when hr fails to defend Infinity? An Infinity townflips vindicates him. So why doesn't he take advantage if he were scum as opposed to just voicing frustration?

Why does he 1v1 with Dwlee if Dwlee is town that could die in the crossing and shade him?

1) why does any scum whiteknight for town? it's for the credit of it all and infinity is a very reasonable person that gamma would go to bat for so it makes sense, and i don't think scum was ever... really in danger of being nommed from our pt, so.

2) and i mean, he's getting called out for his behavior now but it's... to kill a townie, weaken their position, etc? scum inevitably have to fight town in games, and town inevitably has to die... and being shaded versus killing a townie is a worthwhile trade

I don't see a point where Gamma ever capitalizes on WKing Infinity.

Do you think Dwlee's NK was purposeful or just to prevent town's wincon?

i don't think that you inherently have to capitalize on it for it to make you look good/like a read you were invested in/etc, it just happens, people recall it as something you did; gamma did leverage it once (people bowing to his reads) that i can recall off the top of my head though

i think it was to prevent wincon because it was the 1st kill and least information for town to work with.

[petapan]

I mean, it's hard to really define any vote in Event 1 as bussing because while we believed it was to hurt a scumread, the team could've known it was for something good

So a motive on why scum was either on a buddy or limbaity is hard to identify.

i mean, but byond that, skitter wanted the duel to be unwnd/dunn in event 2, which just seems...like way too much bussing?

and by comparison skitter's pushes on dunn/saber were significantly weaker than when she went after a town

[Taly]

The biggest thing that continues to elude me is that both

Peta/Ydra

agree

Gemerald

is the most likely scum right now but

Ggy

hasn't interacted with why that much?

[Taly]

These noms were shitty on retrospect and I don't think it's unfair for me to conclude this even if I am a biased party.

[Ydrasse]

manifesting dance game final phase

[Taly]

I mean, it's hard to really define any vote in Event 1 as bussing because while we believed it was to hurt a scumread, the team could've known it was for something good

So a motive on why scum was either on a buddy or limbaity is hard to identify.

i mean, but byond that, skitter wanted the duel to be unwnd/dunn in event 2, which just seems...like way too much bussing?

and by comparison skitter's pushes on dunn/saber were significantly weaker than when she went after a town

I need to actually check but

Did the duel ever explicitly say someone was going to die?

[Taly]

I just don't think it's far off for a teammate to bus 2 partners here if they both had an easy out or would look really attractive late game.

[Taly]

Eh I tried to be impartial as I want to not confbias

But Gamma's consistent vex with about half of the plist st any given event phase in this reads as town struggling to have control.

I feel like scum would be better suited to roll with the punches if they ended Event 1 being as townread as Gamma had been.

I mean, why does Gamma scum get pissy when hr fails to defend Infinity? An Infinity townflips vindicates him. So why doesn't he take advantage if he were scum as opposed to just voicing frustration?

Why does he 1v1 with Dwlee if Dwlee is town that could die in the crossing and shade him?

1) why does any scum whiteknight for town? it's for the credit of it all and infinity is a very reasonable person that gamma would go to bat for so it makes sense, and i don't think scum was ever... really in danger of being nommed from our pt, so.

2) and i mean, he's getting called out for his behavior now but it's... to kill a townie, weaken their position, etc? scum inevitably have to fight town in games, and town inevitably has to die... and being shaded versus killing a townie is a worthwhile trade

I don't see a point where Gamma ever capitalizes on WKing Infinity.

Do you think Dwlee's NK was purposeful or just to prevent town's wincon?

i don't think that you inherently have to capitalize on it for it to make you look good/like a read you were invested in/etc, it just happens, people recall it as something you did; gamma did leverage it once (people bowing to his reads) that i can recall off the top of my head though

i think it was to prevent wincon because it was the 1st kill and least information for town to work with.

I agree to both points but I wonder how Ggy slot looks in the same timelinw here

[Gammagooey]

All players vote to nominate a player to partake in a

Duel to the Death

.
The first player to reach a majority will be nominated, as well as the player with the second-most votes when a majority occurs.
The player who was nominated second gets the gun first. It is guaranteed at least one nominee will not survive the duel.

[Taly]

Hmmmm. That weakens my stance but I don't think skitter is afraid to bus that much as scum.

[Taly]

Ggy do you regret your noms?

[petapan]

the assumption is that unwnd would be in some sort of antispew, and...i dunno, i'm not sure of it. i don't get why he calls out saber at all in that case. the saber/dunn unaligned take is almost too on the nose. i can build myself a narrative for it if i stare hard enough but i don't know how much of that is forcing it

every indication i can get is that scum were playing the game of calling each other out but not being forceful in pushing for eliminations, for the most part. one of the two was probably a bus target but the question is as to when? and the galrunwooey slot has overall been forcefully calling for scum elims where gemerald has...not been

[Taly]

and the galrunwooey slot has overall been forcefully calling for scum elims where gemerald has...not been

I find the former mentality more likely informed in practice.

[Taly]

I kill more townies in 1 town game than I do in half of my scum games.