Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I think penguin self-hammered
bit worried why he didn't idk, question my vote at all? Prolly just means this is a scum flip

[numberQ]

No. Self-hammering deprives town of useful information. It's BARELY an acceptable strategy as scum, and completely unacceptable as town. I really hope you're scum for this.

[Galron]

you're just TMI'ing that you know I'm town and that I'm not scum trying to mis-elim you.

How does that work?

He specifically said he dislikes playing with me. This is our only game we've ever played together (excluding potential alts I guess). This heavily implies that he knows I'm not just scum playing to my wincon.

I don't think it does.

[numberQ]

^ that was to Penguin, not Gamma

[PenguinPower]

replace out if you have that much of a problem.

this is also against the rules

[PenguinPower]

No. Self-hammering deprives town of useful information. It's BARELY an acceptable strategy as scum, and completely unacceptable as town. I really hope you're scum for this.

there was no useful information re: my previous points.

[Gamma Emerald]

replace out if you have that much of a problem.

this is also against the rules

no it isn't??? Replacing out is definitely what you SHOULD do if you have a personal disagreement that affects your ability to play

[Roden]

i do think you are scum! it's why i voted you.

i don't care if you are playing to your wincon like this though.

But you switched your vote to Egix?

What do you mean "like this"?

[numberQ]

No. Self-hammering deprives town of useful information. It's BARELY an acceptable strategy as scum, and completely unacceptable as town. I really hope you're scum for this.

there was no useful information re: my previous points.

What point? That you were at 5v2 and N_M was probably going to hammer anyway? Not really a defense for self-hammering. We were still deprived of information.

[PenguinPower]

replace out if you have that much of a problem.

this is also against the rules

no it isn't??? Replacing out is definitely what you SHOULD do if you have a personal disagreement that affects your ability to play

As such, do not tell other players to replace out.

I'm not going to litigate this in game. I'm also not going to replace out at 5v2 with less than 10 hours to go and 3 claimed hammers. It's laughable if you think more info was going to come versus the risk of a no lim.

[PenguinPower]

What point? That you were at 5v2 and N_M was probably going to hammer anyway? Not really a defense for self-hammering. We were still deprived of information.

No you weren't. I'd argue we're getting more in twilight than we did in the past two days and the risk of a no lim has been eliminated.

Question: Why didn't you go off on Enchant for self-voting?

[numberQ]

Because Enchant's vote wasn't a hammer? And I doubt the usability of anything we're getting out of this honestly

[numberQ]

replace out if you have that much of a problem.

this is also against the rules

no it isn't??? Replacing out is definitely what you SHOULD do if you have a personal disagreement that affects your ability to play

As such, do not tell other players to replace out.

I'm not going to litigate this in game. I'm also not going to replace out at 5v2 with less than 10 hours to go and 3 claimed hammers. It's laughable if you think more info was going to come versus the risk of a no lim.

Weren't you the one earlier in the thread saying something about selective quoting? The "as such" refers to bringing outside influence into the game. You were already hammered. There was no outside influence.

[PenguinPower]

Self-voting deprives you of information same as self-hammering - i'd argue in some cases more so since it can be the impetus to push a wagon to its end rather than just solidifying it.

odd justification.

[PenguinPower]

replace out if you have that much of a problem.

this is also against the rules

no it isn't??? Replacing out is definitely what you SHOULD do if you have a personal disagreement that affects your ability to play

As such, do not tell other players to replace out.

I'm not going to litigate this in game. I'm also not going to replace out at 5v2 with less than 10 hours to go and 3 claimed hammers. It's laughable if you think more info was going to come versus the risk of a no lim.

Weren't you the one earlier in the thread saying something about selective quoting? The "as such" refers to bringing outside influence into the game. You were already hammered. There was no outside influence.

It was a reminder given your join date.

[numberQ]

Self-voting deprives you of information same as self-hammering - i'd argue in some cases more so since it can be the impetus to push a wagon to its end rather than just solidifying it.

odd justification.

That is just not true. Self-voting is a valid strategy. I've seen it completely derail wagons before. And the hammer is literally the most important vote on any wagon, so even if you're focusing entirely on information given, a self-hammer loses out on way more than a mid-wagon vote, even putting yourself at E-1 like Enchant did.

[PenguinPower]

Ok - then we'll just have to disagree on that.

[PenguinPower]

There was literally no futher information to be gained from a hammer on me at that point - what are you going to push? The answer is either "I'm NM, it's what I do" or "It was deadline and we need a lim."

[numberQ]

Alright. I'm not going to argue anymore. Sorry if I got hostile, self-hammering pisses me off because I always just see it as throwing. Maybe I'll get where you're coming from after I cool off.

[PenguinPower]

No worries - I generally think self-hammering is a horrbile thing to do (same as self-voting late in wagon) - but it literally had no impact at this point in the day and eliminated a risk.

[Almost50]

"I'm NM, it's what I do"

[PenguinPower]

<3

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Q is still scum esp if PP flips scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Self-hammer doesnt come from town when Redtea is asking for time to metadive, so I'm assuming I was wrong on penguin

[Almost50]

WAIT! Did PP self-hammer??