Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Datisi]

might

emphasis on might

i need to sleep maybe i'll manage to do that tomorrow

[VP Baltar]

tbf, seems like Bingle is trying to rally people to his poverty.

P.edit: real life comes first of course. The gamma-FG interaction is a pretty quick read, even with checking the source meta referenced. Took me about 30 mins yesterday

[VP Baltar]

Lol

To his POV

[Datisi]

on the other hand i could just act as baltar's doublevoter

that is a possibility

we'll see

[Bingle]

rally people to his poverty.

I am absolutely not trying to start a pyramid scheme in this specific mafia game.

And yeah, RL is more important, Dats. GL with the edumafication stuff. I hope whatever you're working on works out.

[Datisi]

don't worry about my rl, i mostly know what i am doing

[DArby]

I have a town read on both Datisi and VP. I want to apply pressure. Having pressure as a replacement should be a good reaction test.

I still would want to hear them out.

Assuming PP and Enchant both stay in, we have roughly 24 hours between Dunn replace and EoD. Do you think that's actually enough time to get a reaction, read into said reaction, and decide if it's worth eliminating there? If the player who replaces in isn't caught up when they do so, do you think they'll respond to a lot of pressure on themselves? If they are won't they realize they're under pressure? Suffice to say, 'pressuring Dunnslot' (or really NM slot) isn't going to do much. We need to start consolidating now so we're not scrambling for a lim last minute.

Might I interest you in this shiny Gamma wagon that has the two amazing qualities of not being on you and being a possible elimination?

If Pooky’s argument against how flimsy Gamma’s meta arguments are hold up, I’ll probably switch.

If we have a freeze, I’d imagine the replacement will have some time to make an argument alloted by the mod. I don’t expect a read of the game but to see how they respond to the pressure.

[DArby]

Actually, the more I think about it the dumber that sounds [my last paragraph].

VOTE: Gamma

[VP Baltar]

Actually, the more I think about it the dumber that sounds [my last paragraph].

VOTE: Gamma

Did you look at the exchange between pooky and Gamma before you made this vote?

[DArby]

Ok so you did your research, do you actually have an example of a time when scum!me tries to kill town!you on D1?

aside from Mtn Dew? I'm assuming this is pooky speaking
I think you pushed me to some degree in Gensokyo maybe? I know out of the rest of the scumteam Kilga was pushing me and KA was whiteknighting me

what the hell happened in mtn dew that derailed the initially elim order for y'all

like I don't believe Gamma found some random post I made in a scum pt and thinks its a smoking gun and then decided to "drill" me with it while not talking about it and now dramatically reveals it.

Like that makes no sense to me

if town him actually believes this is some sort of smoking gun I think he just posts it and attacks.

Instead he feels like he is trying to calculate if he can get away with this or make us back down by just threatening and now when he sees sentiment in thread is doubtful, he figures he has nothing to lose so he just lets it rip.

This one, VP?

[DArby]

Or do you mean the one that’s being referenced?

[DArby]

You probably mean the second.

I avoid meta reading as much as I can help it. I’d rather gauge the reaction of those who actually did it.

It’s really unfun for me to read games Im not apart of. :/

[VP Baltar]

How do you know pooky is correct about Gamma if you aren't looking into the argument yourself?

[DArby]

If Pooky’s argument

Key word if.

I changed votes because I realized my reason for voting Dunn is stupid.

[VP Baltar]

If Pooky’s argument

Key word if.

I changed votes because I realized my reason for voting Dunn is stupid.

Why is it stupid?

Also, when and how will you know IF pooky's points are valid?

[Almost50]

How important is it that you do ~something~? Very. If we just sit around waiting for replacements we're going to be sitting around waiting for replacements until A50 dies of old age. Monkeys are only supposed to live 40 years after all.

[DArby]

If Pooky’s argument

Key word if.

I changed votes because I realized my reason for voting Dunn is stupid.

Why is it stupid?

Also, when and how will you know IF pooky's points are valid?

With the replacement, it would only be 1-2 days of pressure for the replacement to say anything. I don't realistically expect a rando to read all of these pages, come to a logical conclusion, engage with pushback, AND town coming to a consensus in that time. It sounds better on paper if we had more time for the replacement.

Gamma and you would be my main indicator. I'd imagine Gamma would push back, and F&G would push back to that. They will either bring up the relevant pieces of the meta to this game and agree on some form of facts (to which I could make a conclusion then) and/or you as an informed third party would correct any wrong statements. It's not fool proof but I don't like doing extra work when it can be avoided.

[Sleepless Assassin]

But if you're town who is holding onto it to avoid being NKd, those thoughts dying with you if they're really as accurate as you seem to think, is worse than losing you as a player in this game.

Why in the world should I spill info now that helps scum plan? I don't think my thoughts are more valuable than anyone else's, so if I die, oh well. I'm certainly not going to give up info that helps scum play off my own speculation in the case it is wrong.

By that logic don't share any reads ever.

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Fun and Games vs Gamma didn't change a ton for me. It looks like Fun and Games saying why they suspect Gamma and Gamma getting upset . What does stand out:
-Gamma getting upset now when he didn't seem to care he almost died earlier. Not sure this means anything but it stood out
-Gamma seeming to at the same time have strong opinions and care a lot while forgetting details and saying he would rather lose and have fun than win and not. It feels contradictory but again I don't see scum motivation in that.
-Why do I feel like I'd be scum reading Pooky if not for being in a hydra with skitter. Ahhh my brain lol.
-I wasn't gonna say anything but Bingle already did and scum is never killing Gamma anyway. I also noticed a long time ago Gamma "spewed non PR" . So that's why I've been so willing to compromise on him.

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Maybe im biased but I'm... like... blinking in disbelief at darby this page. I didn't understand him voting Dunn in the first place but if he believed in it enough to make the vote, I'd think he'd do a better job explaining it and not just go "yeah that was dumb lol" and switch off of it. Then he goes to Gamma because he didn't like his own Dunn vote but with zero interest on the case being made against Gamma. I mean to some extent I understand self preservation and an approaching deadline, but shouldn't there be some original tbought and actual reasons for preference on who dies Day 1?

[VP Baltar]

Fun and Games vs Gamma didn't change a ton for me. It looks like Fun and Games saying why they suspect Gamma and Gamma getting upset . What does stand out:
-Gamma getting upset now when he didn't seem to care he almost died earlier. Not sure this means anything but it stood out
-Gamma seeming to at the same time have strong opinions and care a lot while forgetting details and saying he would rather lose and have fun than win and not. It feels contradictory but again I don't see scum motivation in that.
-Why do I feel like I'd be scum reading Pooky if not for being in a hydra with skitter. Ahhh my brain lol.
-I wasn't gonna say anything but Bingle already did and scum is never killing Gamma anyway. I also noticed a long time ago Gamma "spewed non PR" . So that's why I've been so willing to compromise on him.

This reads like you're more suspicious of the F&G side of things, but more willing to vote Gamma.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, how confident are you in this pooky tell? It reads quite thin.

Not as much as I was before. But I also do not like their way of reacting to my pressure of gaslighting me.

[Gamma Emerald]

If Pooky’s argument

Key word if.

I changed votes because I realized my reason for voting Dunn is stupid.

Why is it stupid?

Also, when and how will you know IF pooky's points are valid?

With the replacement, it would only be 1-2 days of pressure for the replacement to say anything. I don't realistically expect a rando to read all of these pages, come to a logical conclusion, engage with pushback, AND town coming to a consensus in that time. It sounds better on paper if we had more time for the replacement.

Gamma and you would be my main indicator. I'd imagine Gamma would push back, and F&G would push back to that. They will either bring up the relevant pieces of the meta to this game and agree on some form of facts (to which I could make a conclusion then) and/or you as an informed third party would correct any wrong statements. It's not fool proof but I don't like doing extra work when it can be avoided.

What you’re expecting to happen is already happening tho, where’s your take on that???

[Sleepless Assassin]

Fun and Games vs Gamma didn't change a ton for me. It looks like Fun and Games saying why they suspect Gamma and Gamma getting upset . What does stand out:
-Gamma getting upset now when he didn't seem to care he almost died earlier. Not sure this means anything but it stood out
-Gamma seeming to at the same time have strong opinions and care a lot while forgetting details and saying he would rather lose and have fun than win and not. It feels contradictory but again I don't see scum motivation in that.
-Why do I feel like I'd be scum reading Pooky if not for being in a hydra with skitter. Ahhh my brain lol.
-I wasn't gonna say anything but Bingle already did and scum is never killing Gamma anyway. I also noticed a long time ago Gamma "spewed non PR" . So that's why I've been so willing to compromise on him.

This reads like you're more suspicious of the F&G side of things, but more willing to vote Gamma.

I don't want to vote either. But Gamma does look better than Pooky in that exchange so it makes sense you'd see it that way. Overall I still think the Fun and Games slot is townier. Consider it more of a "my eyes are open" moment on that slot than a scum read. Gamma I still think is town too just not with a ton of confidence. I think Darby is the only scum who is viable today.

[VP Baltar]

Fun and Games vs Gamma didn't change a ton for me. It looks like Fun and Games saying why they suspect Gamma and Gamma getting upset . What does stand out:
-Gamma getting upset now when he didn't seem to care he almost died earlier. Not sure this means anything but it stood out
-Gamma seeming to at the same time have strong opinions and care a lot while forgetting details and saying he would rather lose and have fun than win and not. It feels contradictory but again I don't see scum motivation in that.
-Why do I feel like I'd be scum reading Pooky if not for being in a hydra with skitter. Ahhh my brain lol.
-I wasn't gonna say anything but Bingle already did and scum is never killing Gamma anyway. I also noticed a long time ago Gamma "spewed non PR" . So that's why I've been so willing to compromise on him.

This reads like you're more suspicious of the F&G side of things, but more willing to vote Gamma.

I don't want to vote either. But Gamma does look better than Pooky in that exchange so it makes sense you'd see it that way. Overall I still think the Fun and Games slot is townier. Consider it more of a "my eyes are open" moment on that slot than a scum read. Gamma I still think is town too just not with a ton of confidence. I think Darby is the only scum who is viable today.

So you are willing to vote there strictly because you think scum won't eliminate Gamma?

[Fun and Games]

Gamma, how confident are you in this pooky tell? It reads quite thin.

Not as much as I was before. But I also do not like their way of reacting to my pressure of gaslighting me.

This is downright absurd

[Gamma Emerald]

Proving my point!