Mini 2250: Role-A-Pair Mafia (Game Over)

[Circle Shape]

what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town

[Heart Shape]

RE Triangle, still null for me. I'm not sure if they're serious about their hero solve or just using it to sort people. I think the Red/Traingle pairing could be volatile though just because others seem to be seeing things in them that I'm really not. Whoever, I think Orange, said something about me simplifying Blue's read on Triangle as larping and thus nai, that's exactly what it is.

[Heart Shape]

what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town

I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.

[Heart Shape]

what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town

I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.

Best time maybe fits better than best way. Not to say that we shouldn't. My main goal this phase was to find a townie player to pair with and maybe develop some prelinary reads. I don't have a full reads list that's for sure.

[Circle Shape]

what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town

I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.

i did not ask you to locktown or lockscum anyone

this seems a curious exaggeration on your part

[Heart Shape]

what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town

I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.

i did not ask you to locktown or lockscum anyone

this seems a curious exaggeration on your part

Take it any way you want. Doesn't make my thinking on this any less valid. I don't know how anyone can have anything but tentative positions until we actually know what's what. Right now people, including myself, are developing reads based on what exactly. We don't even really know what's going on yet.

[Heart Shape]

To be fair, Triangle remaining unpaired does mean that Pentagon or Star will get delayed based on 245. Diamond is my opinion, the only null read who I'm uncertain about. Red, being a colour, will have to get paired, eventually.

This gets me thinking. Triangle getting left out, at this point, nearly guarantees Red+Pentagon get delayed. Is that something we would ever want?

No. That's another reason why Triangle should get paired.

I forgot I had this tab open. I wanted to ask how a pair gets delayed, when it's just one player.

[Color Blue]

it is taking tremendous willpower for me to not post in this thread as much as I want to

I am really excited to get the PT so i can post to my hearts content.

I think Orange and Diamond would be a good match, even though I think Diamond is less likely town than Triangle, I am not sure Triangle will ever be productive to talk to in a PT.

It is kind of weird to me that Green would rather have Orange pair with Diamond than pair with Diamond himself if he thinks Diamond is a good pairing.

[Color Purple]

To be fair, Triangle remaining unpaired does mean that Pentagon or Star will get delayed based on 245. Diamond is my opinion, the only null read who I'm uncertain about. Red, being a colour, will have to get paired, eventually.

This gets me thinking. Triangle getting left out, at this point, nearly guarantees Red+Pentagon get delayed. Is that something we would ever want?

No. That's another reason why Triangle should get paired.

I forgot I had this tab open. I wanted to ask how a pair gets delayed, when it's just one player.

Delaying Pentagon will delay the whole group because Red is a Color and Colors are Modifiers which do nothing without a Power to modify.

[Color Purple]

To be fair, Triangle remaining unpaired does mean that Pentagon or Star will get delayed based on 245. Diamond is my opinion, the only null read who I'm uncertain about. Red, being a colour, will have to get paired, eventually.

This gets me thinking. Triangle getting left out, at this point, nearly guarantees Red+Pentagon get delayed. Is that something we would ever want?

No. That's another reason why Triangle should get paired.

I forgot I had this tab open. I wanted to ask how a pair gets delayed, when it's just one player.

Delaying Pentagon will delay the whole pair because Red is a Color and Colors are Modifiers which do nothing without a Power to modify.

EBWOP

[Arrow Shape]

I wanna kill Pentagon now tbh. Circle's post on Pentagon is reasonable, but I actually do not think that their string of defensive posts was townie.
It's been awhile since I've seen a player basically say "how dare you scum read me, stop that" with multiple posts while pretending they aren't doing that.

[Arrow Shape]

Orange gets more town points.
Pentagon goes down some.

[Arrow Shape]

Town: Orange, Blue, Purple, Circle, Arrow.

Need to sort: Triangle, Star, Pentagon, Green, Red, Heart, Diamond, Yellow.

Ugh.

[Arrow Shape]

I should've waited and paired with Orange.
RIP.

[Pentagon Shape]

I wanna kill Pentagon now tbh. Circle's post on Pentagon is reasonable, but I actually do not think that their string of defensive posts was townie.
It's been awhile since I've seen a player basically say "how dare you scum read me, stop that" with multiple posts while pretending they aren't doing that.

That’s not scum indicative for me ever, at best it’s townie, at worst it’s nia. And yes, since I know I’m town and getting sr for dumb reasons, I will not be quiet about that.

[Pentagon Shape]

@mod, can you prod Star? It’s over 48 hrs now.

[Pentagon Shape]

I think I would trust a Diamond/Orange pair more than I would trust some of the other pairs that have already formed.

Who would you like to be paired with?

[Pentagon Shape]

I feel like I'd rather leave a town unpaired because even if delayer is anti-town, I'd rather have it in town's hands. I think a good strategy might be to never use it until 2 scum are dead?

I like this thinking but the obvious problem is how do we know? Perhaps scum will try to look townie to be left unpaired to get delayer?

The solution here is to either treat a Delay as a scum claim from the Delayer, or just vote out the Delayer. That's why I volunteered, because if I ultimately end up getting scum read then you can just vote me out, and if I'm town read but a Delay happens then you would know I'm scum.

Best case scenario however is that today we find at least one scum that is a Shape, make them go solo, and then vote them out to get rid of scum and the Delayer at the same time.

But you’re insisting on being the one to be unpaired?

[Pentagon Shape]

Pairing status 2:

No pending offered from unPaired players

Pairings:
Color Yellow-Shape Arrow
Color Red-Shape Pentagon
Color Purple-Shape Heart
Color Blue-Shape Circle

UnPaired: Color Orange, Color Green, Diamond Shape, Star Shape, Triangle Shape

Day One Phase One ends in (expired on 2021-11-25 16:57:53)

We have five days left and five slots unpaired, I think that’s suboptimal. People need to decide soon before the timer runs out.

[Pentagon Shape]

Weekends are busy and suck.

Skimmed to catch up some, taking back the feelings on Blue.

Feel good to some degree about Purple/Arrow/Circle/Blue as top people, reconsidering on Triangle some but it's 1) hard to imagine scum just tunnel vision while also handicapping themselves with a gimmick that has gained them no favors and 2) still feels like bellyaching about gimmick comes from scum somewhere. The Pentagon read is probably wrong at this point (they seem very frustrated that Triangle isn't engaging with them but isn't turning that into a push when I think they could get away with it at this point in time, they just want to actually engage and be read correctly and that is +town). Amenable to their Red read though. So @ 505, T/T (and thanks for the question I know I was a whiny baby earlier).

I'm also amenable to either color pairing... but at this point I don't think people want to pair with Triangle and Star is adamant about getting the Delay so if they want to sort that out between themselves they probably should.

+1

This needs to happen, no way is it it protown for five slots to go unpaired.

@mod what happens if no more pairs form before deadline?

[Pentagon Shape]

@Star which shape do you want to leave out if we are using that as the elim?

I agree with an earlier sentiment that it would be between Diamond and Heart, and additionally Triangle for me. Snap reaction to Triangle finally posting is to choose them as the elim since their posts are just...bad. However, I can't rule out them just playing like LHF and want to see their progression in the coming days.

Star feels a bit like pandering for town reads too

Not really, considering it's already been suggested that we lim the lone shape anyway.

It's weird playing a game with no RVS...

Since being unpaired doesn't mean automatic death in this game, I can volunteer to be the lone shape. In this scenario, I'll just keep the Delay holstered so it won't be an issue going forward. I'd prefer to be paired of course, but I think this is the easiest way to deal with this situation and make it a non-issue.

And this one as well, perhaps a bit more. Star, why make this sort of post to volunteer if you're going to undercut it immediately with a preference? It comes across a bit LAMIST-y to me.

Because the main attraction of this game is the anonymity and the pairing. I didn't sign up for this game just to go solo and not use my night actions. However I see an easy way to deal with the lone shape Delayer dilemma and have no problem volunteering if that helps town reach our win con more easily.

LAMIST itself doesn't really mean anything to me. If the plan is to lim the solo shape and you think I'm scum purposely volunteering to put myself in a situation that likely gets me voted out, then I suppose I resolve myself here, don't I?

I don't think that we're deadset on actually killing the person who is left out yet even though it's bandied around so this reply doesn't really mean anything to me either? Like it's by no means concrete so you can just... say things this early and then they don't happen later. Basically we impasse.

I know this, that's exactly why I suggested it. :/

Having someone volunteer to go solo and state that they won't use the Delay makes this problem a lot simpler to deal with. If the solo shape isn't guaranteed to be eliminated, that will hang over the game if they're forced into the position instead of by choice. A shape who is essentially rejected by every color could be scum, which is bad for obvious reasons. But they could also be a disgruntled townie who feels hurt/wants to feel useful, and may use the Delay for emotional reasons. A volunteer circumvents all of that entirely.

The obvious problem with this is unpaired shape could obviously lie about this and still use delayer not to get limmed. I’m still extremely suspicious of you’re wanting to have control of delayer role.

[Pentagon Shape]

I should've waited and paired with Orange.
RIP.

Why “RIP”? Orange can still pair, there are still three unpaired shapes left.

[Arrow Shape]

I paired with Yellow, so I can't pair with Orange.
Meta arguments in an anon game, how novel. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

[Pentagon Shape]

I paired with Yellow, so I can't pair with Orange.
Meta arguments in an anon game, how novel. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

No one is asking you to, that doesn’t make it any less true. Reaction reads to getting sr in general are really bad metrics and I really don’t understand why anyone thinks they’re ever indicative of anything, so you don’t even need to know my meta to know that’s a very silly basis for alignment reading anyone.

[Arrow Shape]

What are some good metrics?