Newbie 2084: Signs [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.11

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-11-28 00:30:00).

elimination

ProHawk [3]:

Prism, marcistar, Cape90

Cabd [3]:

Meuh, Greeting, ProHawk

Prism [1]:

MegAzumarill

not voting [2]:

Cabd, StrangeMatter

mod notes

~ this vc was made using only the vote counter, please let me know if there are any mistakes

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[ProHawk]

Can you elaborate on why ProHawk's "hilarious reaction" bit strikes you as scummy? I thought it very natural, which is why I moved so quickly to try and nip it in the bud so I could hopefully get something useful instead. It's his lack of acknowledgement that this is a deeply-ingrained tendency while sticking to his guns on it that is the red flag for me. I don't see an issue with the defensiveness assertion itself.

Dunno how much you know of Hawk and I's history, we come form the same long-dead homesite (Pokegym, RIP non-pokemon archives to make it family friendly) but that used to be a bad habit he had when overwhelmed by a case and having to break it down into bits. Actually we specifically forced ourselves NOT to do that when we hydra'd as scum that one time because it was such a beacon of alignment indication.

In fairness, I don't know if it's true of his recent play, I have not ran a search of any of his recent games so this is like, decade-old memory meta but yeah.

The best part of this line is that if you actually believed this, it's a point to why I'm NOT scum rather than a point to why I would be.

[Greeting]

Since

MegAzumarill

is opting for a

Prism

wagon, they must be thinking that the scumteam is me and her. I think it would be really cool to be in a scumteam with such an experienced player, but I didn’t roll scum this game and I don’t think

Prism

has either. I prefer to play as town, even though I have a better game win ratio as scum (source: my head/Confessions On A Dance Floor buy on iTunes now).

Besides, I was thinking - if I was using the scumthread to make draft posts, and had a partner like

Prism

wouldn’t they warn me that post tags change after they’re posted and strongly discourage me from copying post content with coding?

[Meuh]

Lessssssgoooooooooo Cabd wagon

Not sure how I feel about the buddy-buddy point, I’ve seen similar interactions to Prism/Cabd come from 2 people who knew each other when one subbed in and they were T/T

[Meuh]

Greeting absolutely has a meta shift, unsure if that's AI though....

Imagine if the world was just this simple... Greeting & ProHawk.

Rule 1 of Cape town: I always townread at least 1 mafia.

If that’s the scum team I’d be ashamed of how poorly I’m reading this game

[Greeting]

I'm not exactly trustful of

ProHawk

. Honestly though, I just can't bring myself to scumread people who get overly emotional in a mafia game. I feel like it's a natural reaction to being accused, that, when under scrutiny can emerge unprovoked in these circumstances. Nothing about

Prism

/

ProHawk

reaction seems scripted from either. If someone is wrongly accused, they're far less likely to keep cool unless prompted or coached by someone - which can't happen amongst townies.

I'm more suspicious of the "I'm VT, you can vote me out anyways" reaction (which I didn't see happening in this game) even though I'm guilty of doing it myself.

I'm slightly getting paranoid about being played around by experienced players. But this is meta, and I never let meta come first before reads.

Speaking of meta:

Greeting absolutely has a meta shift, unsure if that's AI though....

What do you mean by that?

[ProHawk]

The newbie game that Prism linked to, you had a lot more gifs/pictures posted than this one

[ProHawk]

Lessssssgoooooooooo Cabd wagon

Not sure how I feel about the buddy-buddy point, I’ve seen similar interactions to Prism/Cabd come from 2 people who knew each other when one subbed in and they were T/T

Okay, I'll take that into consideration. What about buddying up AND supporting their scum read and vote?

[ProHawk]

The determining factor is going to be MegA and/or StrangeMatter

[ProHawk]

Top that also with Cabd not being willing to support him scum read with a vote late in the game.

[ProHawk]

His*

[Prism]

Cabd is coming in all kinds of buddy buddy hey guys remember this game and that let's use the history we have together to skew my reads... And if memory also serves right, he uses meta as scum to frame most arguments for mis-eliminations.

It's still dumb to me that he hasn't voted considering the time we have renaming.

VOTE: Cabd

Cabd explains that your retreat to "overly defensive" is a scum habit of yours. I may try to corroborate this later, but it looks like you think it should be a towntell.

If you can explain this satisfactorily I may swap.

[Greeting]

The newbie game that Prism linked to, you had a lot more gifs/pictures posted than this one

This answer is disappointing. While it is true, I posted significantly more stuff like this in N2078 and N2081, due to what I perceived as a negative reaction from other players I toned it down a bit. And that can already be seen in N2082, a game in which I was town.

I was hoping you’d say something about the content that I post, reads that I make or even the tone of my post. Seems lazy to have such a simplistic approach.

[ProHawk]

Cabd is coming in all kinds of buddy buddy hey guys remember this game and that let's use the history we have together to skew my reads... And if memory also serves right, he uses meta as scum to frame most arguments for mis-eliminations.

It's still dumb to me that he hasn't voted considering the time we have renaming.

VOTE: Cabd

Cabd explains that your retreat to "overly defensive" is a scum habit of yours. I may try to corroborate this later, but it looks like you think it should be a towntell.

If you can explain this satisfactorily I may swap.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about me *being* overly defensive/aggressive is a *general* habit of mine and that being conscious of that habit and *not* being overly defensive as a self-aware tactic is something that I do as scum which would be correct. I'm also pretty sure I wrote the post he quoted the bolded part is me quickly backing down and not engaging the "I was sniffing glue" part.

I get lynched ALL the time for my agro which is why I said it *should* be a town-tell for me, albeit one that would be easy to manipulate as scum, but not a smart play unless I can get people to town-read me for it, which is NOT this game as I have no history here with anyone except Cabd, but that happened way before he replaced in.

[ProHawk]

I was hoping you’d say something about the content that I post, reads that I make or even the tone of my post. Seems lazy to have such a simplistic approach.

Why does this post make it seem like you want me to catch you as scum? This is odd.

[ProHawk]

Dammit I was doing so good not using the "L" word ugh

[Greeting]

I was hoping you’d say something about the content that I post, reads that I make or even the tone of my post. Seems lazy to have such a simplistic approach.

Why does this post make it seem like you want me to catch you as scum? This is odd.

I’ll tell you what I’m doing. I have some degree of trust in

Meuh

but I don’t trust you and the fact that you’re voting

Cabd

is making me feel uneasy. This wagon, on my part (and I think

Meuh

’s too) is based on the fact, that I’m townreading a large pool of players and they’re what’s left. I’m trying to test if it’s the right direction or not, and I was hoping that you’d say something that would make me townread you. But you said something that didn’t help at all and made me even more uneasy and hesitant.

[Prism]

I am pretty sure he (Cabd) is discussing you being dismissive of my walls and focusing on the strength of my reaction instead.

We can wait for him if you'd like but I think it is clear if you revisit my initial question to him.

[ProHawk]

No, scum is clearly stalling and at the moment is Cabd and Strange both are doing it. Cabd I know for sure knows better.

He may have been twisting how I play to fit that narrative but my representation of my play is the accurate representation as I know myself better than anyone.

I don't know how to help you Greeting, I'm not going to play to appease you.

[StrangeMatter]

I haven't always been here, and I'm still trying to hunt for who I think is town at the moment. Though truthfully I'm just wanting to survive, until when I think POE is the strongest late into the game

Capo09 I really don't feel like there's really anything scummy or necessarily townie when I questioned him earlier in the game. I still think they are null for right now, but not necessarily someone I want to be eliminated today either.

[Prism]

You currently have zero votes on you. You need to vote somewhere, not within the next 10 minutes but in the next 12 or so hours. Any movement/new wagons closer to deadline is dangerous and vulnerable to a no elim (mechanically the worst outcome)

[Greeting]

I don't know how to help you Greeting, I'm not going to play to appease you.

I don't expect you to play to appease me. But what you pointed out about my giffing/meme-ing etc. is lazy in two senses: not only it is not correct (as it was most likely formed by a short glance at some of my posts from one game), but also feels like pointing out something that is far less relevant than other things I've said or did in this game or other games in particular. It may be just a difference between play styles, but that is

my feeling

. I've also come at

MegAzumarill

for the same reasons - although he definitely has been more investigative in both N2081 and N2084 than just "uhh he's posting less gifs and memes than in a game he played in early September".

Speaking of whom, Meg has been definitely less active recently and this is making me question my soft townread on them. As if they've come, made their tunnel attempt on me, and then backed off when the job of showing they're consistent is done.

[ProHawk]

Is it factual? Yes.

Did I say you were scum for it? No.

Like seriously, who cares?

[ProHawk]

Also, why in the world would I put in a huge amount of effort of you aren't even on my radar at the moment? If we're both still alive in a day or two and I need to reeval my reads then yes I'll give you all of the attention you want.

[Greeting]

Very well, I hope you keep your word on this.