Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

Andante · Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:13 am

In post 1747, Taly wrote:Like I don't want Titus/Cabd/GL/SS/Cat/Norwe to endgame at this point in time, as a first-impression pushback, but this is not realistic anymore. There is also at the VERY LEAST 2 town in this group

lol watch them all end up being town and we send all scum to the end game later

Titus · Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:16 am

In post 1750, Andante wrote:
In post 1747, Taly wrote:Like I don't want Titus/Cabd/GL/SS/Cat/Norwe to endgame at this point in time, as a first-impression pushback, but this is not realistic anymore. There is also at the VERY LEAST 2 town in this group

lol watch them all end up being town and we send all scum to the end game later

They all are, minus GL which is very concerning.
GL has insinuated that LLD has buddied/twisted every scumread on him, painting her as an evil mastermind when GL has been scum since go.

Andante · Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:17 am

In post 1748, Taly wrote:anyone insinuating that I had no agency in considering a pair

You can pair with whoever you want!!! the other gents had plenty of time to steal ydra if they wanted, I support your decisions!!! Like, so much of this game has been others going "IC should do this" like, do whatever you want to do!! I'll get more serious after pairs happen, idk I joined this for fun, not to be mega serious, obviously I'll look for scum, but am also here for a good time!! it feels like people are stressing you out :/

Andante · Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:20 am

In post 1751, Titus wrote:
In post 1750, Andante wrote:
In post 1747, Taly wrote:Like I don't want Titus/Cabd/GL/SS/Cat/Norwe to endgame at this point in time, as a first-impression pushback, but this is not realistic anymore. There is also at the VERY LEAST 2 town in this group

lol watch them all end up being town and we send all scum to the end game later
They all are, minus GL which is very concerning.
GL has insinuated that LLD has buddied/twisted every scumread on him, painting her as an evil mastermind when GL has been scum since go.

I'm not jumping into this battle, I already gave my two cents and was met with "you're wrong" so like, if people don't care what I have to say, not gonna make that effort. at least not now, like sure I could be wrong, but going all "see this long paragraph? purple talk!!!" like, what? when I'm trying, I have essays, and just cause I have a lot of words, doesn't make me scum, so I fail to see how my read is wrong off of something not related?? idk, too over my head for me

Titus · Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:22 am

In post 1748, Taly wrote:I'm frustrated at any push against
Ydrasse
right now and anyone insinuating that I had no agency in considering a pair with
LLD/Titus
,
Ydrasse
,
Prism
, and
Cabd
--- and this includes something
GL
suggested in one of his posts as
LLD
pushing a scum narrative by gatekeeping my pair, as though she had the power to do that.

At no point did I ever mean to suggest that you had no agency. You have plenty of agency. You're just using it wrong because you're not putting GL's head on a spike or getting people to explain why GL's bullshit is town.

You're not helping me sort whether adante is scum or wrong town.

You're not helping us sort whether lily and mala are scum and therefore scum are in the townblock.

You're not focusing on the early game where slots make themselves known. I read a scum once by their opening post and I was talked out of it for awhile (but we still largely steamrolled that one). I've townblocked games to victory, and yet your do not endgame is a good chunk of my towncore.

For the game's sake, I hope it's just GL Adante lily and mala, but I doubt that's the solution. That means one of us is wrong and we need to communicate stat.

Andante · Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:29 am

In post 1754, Titus wrote:You're not helping me sort whether adante is scum or wrong town.

Why are you putting your read on me, on taly? like, it's not taly's fault, just like if we end up losing, I do not blame taly. way too manypeople here are like "I'm just doing what taly says" that's an insane amount of pressure. I don't care who you are. like, people seem to be expecting taly to have had this game solved from the start, there's definitely at least 1 scum going all "taly I follow you" or "tally is this ok" people are trying to break taly before the true fun this game even begins...

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:35 am

In post 1747, Taly wrote:
Norwe
wants to read the game before pairing with me but never illustrates what content he read that led him to want to pair with me. His attitude shifted but my alignment did not.

My attitude never shifted you moron.
Explain to me in what way then? Though i doubt there is any real logic you have.

Titus · Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:36 am

In post 1755, Andante wrote:
In post 1754, Titus wrote:You're not helping me sort whether adante is scum or wrong town.
Why are you putting your read on me, on taly? like, it's not taly's fault, just like if we end up losing, I do not blame taly. way too manypeople here are like "I'm just doing what taly says" that's an insane amount of pressure. I don't care who you are. like, people seem to be expecting taly to have had this game solved from the start, there's definitely at least 1 scum going all "taly I follow you" or "tally is this ok" people are trying to break taly before the true fun this game even begins...

Now, I'm absolutely not putting this on Taly. That's a blatant misrep. I've been in Taly's slot as an unkillable IC. That's how I know what advice to give Taly. I had one of the best stump IC games back when versus games were a thing.

To win as an IC, you must get the best out of town. I feel utterly ignored by Taly when he posted that do not endgame list.

I'm definitely not just following whatever Taly wants, and that's a misrep. I make sure I am not stomping on his toes and not interfering with his plans.

I feel on a microlevel some of his decisions are right given the gamestate (approving alyssa and catboi). I just want to be used, heard and engaged with.

This is a big post of why Adante is scum. He's painting working with Taly as scummy and giving up agency. Taly can force reactions and situations to get better reads.

@Taly, read this. If you get bored, read Titus v. Alisae.

Titus · Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:38 am

In post 1756, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1747, Taly wrote:
Norwe
wants to read the game before pairing with me but never illustrates what content he read that led him to want to pair with me. His attitude shifted but my alignment did not.
My attitude never shifted you moron.
Explain to me in what way then? Though i doubt there is any real logic you have.

Calling the IC a moron isn't helpful. Try talking to me.

What do you think of GL and Adante? Both scum? Both town? T v S?

Alyssa The Lamb · Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:40 am

TvA was a strong town win but holy shit was it painful to play in the moment

Titus · Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:47 am

In post 1759, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:TvA was a strong town win but holy shit was it painful to play in the moment

To that extent, I'm sorry. I'm not the best with emotions just best at determining when they are off. I'm not the best prosecutor. I still remember the one elimination when the scum claimed joat with a doc shot available and I actually prosecuted that elimination but it was like pulling teeth a bit and people knew I was town already.

Here, I feel like the dentist area is locked.

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:48 am

In post 1758, Titus wrote:
In post 1756, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1747, Taly wrote:
Norwe
wants to read the game before pairing with me but never illustrates what content he read that led him to want to pair with me. His attitude shifted but my alignment did not.
My attitude never shifted you moron.
Explain to me in what way then? Though i doubt there is any real logic you have.
Calling the IC a moron isn't helpful. Try talking to me.

What do you think of GL and Adante? Both scum? Both town? T v S?

I think GL’s ignoring me is suspicious combined with the Prism read backtrack. Basically i think the seems townie at first glance but does some suspicious actions. I’d want to hood with them to get a proper read but can’t because they are lady.
Andante feels like they could be town but their behaviour always feels scummy to me. Not sure tbh. Probably my least confident read lol.

Andante · Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:50 am

In post 1757, Titus wrote:
In post 1755, Andante wrote:
In post 1754, Titus wrote:You're not helping me sort whether adante is scum or wrong town.
Why are you putting your read on me, on taly? like, it's not taly's fault, just like if we end up losing, I do not blame taly. way too manypeople here are like "I'm just doing what taly says" that's an insane amount of pressure. I don't care who you are. like, people seem to be expecting taly to have had this game solved from the start, there's definitely at least 1 scum going all "taly I follow you" or "tally is this ok" people are trying to break taly before the true fun this game even begins...
Now, I'm absolutely not putting this on Taly. That's a blatant misrep. I've been in Taly's slot as an unkillable IC. That's how I know what advice to give Taly. I had one of the best stump IC games back when versus games were a thing.

To win as an IC, you must get the best out of town. I feel utterly ignored by Taly when he posted that do not endgame list.

I'm definitely not just following whatever Taly wants, and that's a misrep. I make sure I am not stomping on his toes and not interfering with his plans.

I feel on a microlevel some of his decisions are right given the gamestate (approving alyssa and catboi). I just want to be used, heard and engaged with.

This is a big post of why Adante is scum. He's painting working with Taly as scummy and giving up agency. Taly can force reactions and situations to get better reads.

@Taly, read this. If you get bored, read Titus v. Alisae.

Well that wasn't a misrep so I'm stepping in, weren't you also the one asking Taly's approval for a pairing? like, I'm just saying, when everyone keeps going to taly, yall are all gonna overwhelm him, Like sure I could be wrong in your intentions, but I'm just saying, what it looks like from my pov. Everyone going to taly "thoughtson this?" "can I do this?" "hey taly, pair me"

You feel ignored by taly? Maybe taly would prefer people who are just doing their own thing instead of the constant "hey..." like sure taly will want to engage with people, but here recently it looks like it's getting super intense with what everyone is expecting for taly. I know the second Istart having a million expectations upon me, stuff becomes less fun, maybe not the case for taly, but taly is reading as stressed to me, and this is supposed to be fun!!

> I make sure I am not stomping on his toes and not interfering with his plans.
I mean, if you just play the game like normal, I'm sure taly will speak up his plans are being interfered with, but 10 people being all "can I..." seems like way too much to me.

>This is a big post of why Adante is scum. He's painting working with Taly as scummy and giving up agency. Taly can force reactions and situations to get better reads.
So I'm the one misrepping you? I'm not saying working with tally is scummy, I'm saying when 90% of what is happening in the game is "Taly do this" we have a problem, "working with taly" I don't think I've really seen that, I've seen a lot more of "dumping the workload on taly" working with taly would be discussing reads/asking for clarification on why taly has a different read than you or whatever.

Like seriously, I'm misrepping you? have you seen your own post here??

Alyssa The Lamb · Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:52 am

ngl I think I'd be doing more damage to Taly by just aggressively pushing my own thoughts and forcing him to adapt to me rather than the other way around

Andante · Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:54 am

I mean, I've just been doing my own thing, and taly seems chill with it, his TRs don't tr each other, like, shows you he's reading... idk, I could be so wrong, but his recent posts feel like he's so done

Titus · Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:56 am

How do you feel about these ratings EE/Alyssa

Towncore - catboi StD Datisi Titus
Lean town Alyssa SS EE Firebringer
Gtmh town Rh9 marcistar Galron
Would elim mala lily
Scum GL Adante

Ydrasse excluded by request.

Titus · Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:58 am

In post 1763, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:ngl I think I'd be doing more damage to Taly by just aggressively pushing my own thoughts and forcing him to adapt to me rather than the other way around

That's a big reason why we won T v A. I let my townreads do their own thing and adapted, minus saving RR for later. We had one miselimination because scum pocketing me was effectively off the table.

Alyssa The Lamb · Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:59 am

I don't townread SS or StD (and obviously townread GL) but otherwise it's similar to mine

Titus · Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:02 am

In post 1767, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I don't townread SS or StD (and obviously townread GL) but otherwise it's similar to mine

So would it be fair to postulate that you feel StD could have partnered with me to keep my push on GL going as T v T? I've considered it but I scumread GL too hard and townread StD too hard. If GL somehow flipped town, I would consider leaving at that point.

Then we'd still kill Adante though.

Alyssa The Lamb · Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:03 am

no, I actually don't remember a single thing that StD has even done this game

Titus · Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:05 am

In post 162, Save The Dragons wrote:andante is my scumread

oops this isn't my scum pt

In post 168, Save The Dragons wrote:144 just reads fake to me

In post 183, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 176, Firebringer wrote:not that i trust scum slips but STD is the one who asked if scum have chat and he had to reply that scum do have chats if he was town.
i don't trust slips worth shit but unless his memory is as shit as me, he might have slipped lol
i only did it because prism did it already lol

In post 215, Save The Dragons wrote:mmm andante might not be scum after all

In post 217, Save The Dragons wrote:i like the scumread of marci

In post 228, Save The Dragons wrote:i'd totally dance with catboi if i were a lady

In post 739, Save The Dragons wrote:Gentlemen
Galron - town
Datisi - town
Catboi - town
Taly - scum
Marcistar - scum
RH9 - ???
Firebringer * (/^-^(^ ^*)/ * - town
Save the Dragons - single and ready to mingle

Ladies
Ydrasse - ???
Prism - ???
GuiltyLion - scum?
Cabd - ???
angielily - ???
Alyssa the Lamb - ???
Andante * (/^-^(^ ^*)/ * - prob town
Malakittens - ???
Lady Lambdadelta - town

In post 743, Save The Dragons wrote:GL your responses just seem like "scum caught for the wrong reason" maybe you're not but it feels that way

In post 1769, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:no, I actually don't remember a single thing that StD has even done this game

Just a sample. StD did more when not drowned out.

Titus · Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:06 am

SS is fairish I guess. I can see where others disagree on him.

Titus · Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:36 am

Somebody smack me if I post anymore in this game today. I'm a bit concerned my mental health, while not in a severely bad place, may be suggesting to me that I need to be in total control to be listened to. I need to reflect on that and let the thread breathe. The reason for my mental health concerns has zero to deal with mafia and more to deal with resurfacing trauma from my marriage. So it's nothing anyone in this game did. No post here triggered it at all. In fact, I'm not sure what did at all but I know what didn't.

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:40 am

In post 1765, Titus wrote:How do you feel about these ratings EE/Alyssa

Towncore - catboi StD Datisi Titus
Lean town Alyssa SS EE Firebringer
Gtmh town Rh9 marcistar Galron
Would elim mala lily
Scum GL Adante

Ydrasse excluded by request.

I understand where all your reads are coming from and it’s not an bad point to start from imo.
Why is STD towncore rather than light town though?

Taly · Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:56 am

I'm far from exasperated and my posts have the opposite intention of isolating or ignoring.

Titus, I want you to give a summary on your thoughts regovling around GL scum. My do not endgame list was far from solid and I need you to communicate your thought progression on GL and Catboi so I can discern any changes in POV between you and your predecessor. Also, I'm glad for your advice and I'm going to take it, but I do not function the same way you do in Mafia and I believe Alyssa has keyed in on what helps me solve. I'm not dissuadung you from pursuing an agenda or thought process, but if you want to communicate, I'd rather you case to me so I know what to focus on.

Fire/Datisi, can you digress on your GL townread?

Andante, I appreciate your desire to help alleviate the input in this game but I want people to work with me. I want to encourage people to ask for my opinion. One aspect to why it has been hard getting into this game is because it is moving much faster than I am and I'd rather people speak to me than for me.

Norwe, I am just prodding you to explain what motivated your interest in accepting my dance after catching up, because it reads to me that your interest in dancing is from something outside of my alignment whether that is the gamestate or a read of other players.