open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Datisi]

where the hell are you pulling nsg out from now?

[Datisi]

oh wait, lemme guess, i'm having an interaction with you that is very similar to the interaction i've had with her, and you're town, so you think there's no way it was distancing from a partner?

[Sleepless Assassin]

I'm pretty confident in Innocentvillager and Flow Trap being scum

incorrect

Crap. I tried. Who are you scum with then

[skitter30]

well not *no way* but i'd be p surprised if this is how scum-you would be interacting with partner-her given this interaction, yeah basically

[midwaybear]

I mean why did you like his townread earlier ?

I thought it was fine because he did have an early townread on me in another game. But comparing the language used for the tr, that game it seemed to be mostly feeling (which is ok) and this game he actually gave reasons. But the reasons here look a little manufactured.

[SirCakez]

I forgot nsg was in this game

[skitter30]

i don't think she's nearly as townie as a lot of people are calling her tbh

[SirCakez]

Who is even calling her townie

[Datisi]

i don't townread her anymore

[midwaybear]

umm ok

[skitter30]

Who is even calling her townie

I recall dats, faker, and catboi, and i think there were at least one or two others as well

[Faker]

I felt like my Datisi read was biased and it began to bias other reads because of that (for example: datisi scum -> skitter town).

My point is that "narrative" implies some deeper analysis and, well, narrative arc.

I will leave the bulk of your question to flow trap's question for him, but there is a

world

of difference between being personally affable and being actively diplomatic.

[Faker]

I recall dats, faker, and catboi, and i think there were at least one or two others as well

Nullish
=========
...

-northsidegal: Her first set of catchup posts were fine and she was in Townish. I then ISO'd her to remind myself what they were while typing this. I then said "This is stupid, don't see why she doesn't make these criticisms as scum" and moved her down to Nullish. Then I remembered I liked the Skygazer bit, and moved her back up. Now I'm like "Nah".

FINAL VERDICT: NULLSIDEGAL

[Faker]

Let me rephrase the question to you midwaybear.

You described a narrative you were constructing around Datisi being scum. Your references to him at this point were limited to "1 scum in IV/Datisi" for their reactions, and scum theater around NSG. (Which begs the question, why is their discussion not TvT? Not saying this is you, but people always say shit like "idk it's just weird" and my rule of thumb is if you don't know which one is scum, the read is likely garbage) There was also a bit right at gamestart where you thought you agreed with him but it turns out he was making another point. Unclear where this factors in.

Why did you begin to believe Datisi specifically was scum in these, and why did it strengthen?

[Faker]

I'm up to page 40ish but I need to eat.

Mare/Cakez has Mare still being unreasonably stubborn (esp. w/r/t catboi). Cakez gives tonal/underexplained reads as town, it's why he's always limbait. I don't townread Cakez, though.

I thought about how to put this in a nice way but I am hangry. The Datisi/skitter slapfight was complete garbage and every second I spent parsing would have been better spent playing with a pet rock. End of the day that reaction to NSG was very par for the course for Datisi and it just gets worse from there.

VOTE: SirCakez

Getting the same feelings as I did in Final Fantasy.

I don't feel like him being in catchup mode is remotely AI especially given the speed of the thread. I feel like I

should

be able to actually get a read on him at some point this game but I can't get it the way he is now, just have to Have Patience

kind of a meh vote

I am really struggling to contextualize this in light of Slaughter Hour, where I believe you struggled to get a townread on him and wound up shoving him through? My memory might be failing.

[Faker]

Oh dear god that Datisi/skitter interaction

continues?

[Datisi]

you got no idea >_>

[midwaybear]

there is a world of difference between being personally affable and being actively diplomatic

Hm, I can sort of see what you mean. Probably why flow took you out of his poe.

Which begs the question, why is their discussion not TvT?

I found it odd that they were willing to de-escalate their suspicions of each so quickly so I thought that one of them was scum looking to avoid a fight. I did not think that one of them was more suspicious at the time, but if you asked me at the time I would probably say Datisi for backing off first. Now, it seems more nai since it looks like they do similar stuff every gamestart.

Unclear where this factors in

Agreeing with his opening statement didn't factor into my read of him at all really.

Why did you begin to believe Datisi specifically was scum in these, and why did it strengthen?

I thought Datisi was scummy because his play didn't really fit in with my expectation of how a town him would play. I don't think I have played much with Datisi, but I have followed a few games he was in and I got the impression that he was pretty free flowing (speaking his thoughts) as town. ig his opening just didn't match up with that because now that I look back he looks ok.
The scumread strengthened because I'm sort of an ego player, but there really wasn't enough for me to actually push him.

[skitter30]

-northsidegal: Her first set of catchup posts were fine and she was in Townish. I then ISO'd her to remind myself what they were while typing this. I then said "This is stupid, don't see why she doesn't make these criticisms as scum" and moved her down to Nullish. Then I remembered I liked the Skygazer bit, and moved her back up. Now I'm like "Nah". FINAL VERDICT: NULLSIDEGAL

fair enuf. i somehow read that and got to a townlean, not sure how i did that

~
i am becoming more and more Concerned with pooky, ss, and catboi tbh

[SirCakez]

I did not think that one of them was more suspicious at the time, but if you asked me at the time I would probably say Datisi for backing off first.

This feels really forced

[flow trap]

Can you elaborate on these characteristics a bit? From the standard definition, Faker seems relatively diplomatic this game (he even mentioned that it was basically the goal of the alt).

Spoiler: Normal Flow

Maybe

Spoiler: Brutally Honest Flow

No, I cannot, I do not have the mental capacity to determine of how these specific vague concepts and what I am thinking into anything logical right now but I am going to have a freakout trying to as I don't want to be useless anymore.

[flow trap]

I'll have a big post to dump tomorrow. If anyone is curious about my reads I'm pretty confident in Innocentvillager and Flow Trap being scum.

I feel like the 2 you listed are the easiest to push, so you better have some good reasons tomorrow

[catboi]

I find myself struggling for enthusiasm this game for whatever reason. I can't bring myself to focus my attention on the game for an extended period of time. Don't know why, just not that interested. Might wait 'til after new years' to try reading the game again.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I'll have a big post to dump tomorrow. If anyone is curious about my reads I'm pretty confident in Innocentvillager and Flow Trap being scum.

I feel like the 2 you listed are the easiest to push, so you better have some good reasons tomorrow

Interesting. I'm sure I'll see that when I'm caught up but if that's true I think we're in good shape.

[Faker]

I feel like I'm so close to being current.

Simultaneously my brain is fried from the last few days and I would like to spend time with my friends and go snowboarding tomorrow.