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[Galron]

That vote for T3, which is a slot that was under heavy suspicion, when they checked to see if T3 had the ability to shoot, is egregious.

I 100% agree with this but I've looked at the PM 9.34 times and it says that t3 does not have the ability to kill another player or has killed.

[Andresvmb]

I thought it was too in your face to be Scum. But Town have been doing nothing but shooting themselves in the foot all game. So it’s possible the Scum haven’t had to do much and got comfortable. But then, why not just claim VT? Are the Scum really trying to tease out a Gunsmith claim or something similar given the setup? I suppose if I find a way to clear myself, and {Enchant, DW, Retti} are all Confirmed Town, then you are left with a choice of 3 between {Galron, Scorpious, fua, Natalya}, with Galron confirmed Scum. That’s a tough spot to be in I guess, despite the fact that we’re in MElo. But then Natalya almost has to be Scum to me. Which is my struggle, and why I think this game is lost. Even if we succeed in choosing between Retti and Galron (Galron largely clears Natalya but not exactly, Retti is clearing Enchant), is fua Townier than Natalya? And is Scorpious Scum then? If that’s the case I’m probably going to get misexecuted and this is all a waste.

[Galron]

um

i did say my solution is pretty stupid

this is why you shouldn't trust people like me

I owe you an apology for blowing up yesterday. Reasons.

[Galron]

Galron largely clears Natalya

If you're talking about my result it was only that Natalya had not to that point killed or tried to kill anyone

[Galron]

Not that she didn't have the ability

[Galron]

I've been prodded.

N1 psychologist/checked t3/negative
N2 detective/checked natalya/has never tried to kill anyone

Now I'm vt

[Andresvmb]

I just have a hard time seeing why Galron fake claims there ever as Scum. Like why? What’s the point? It doesn’t stop the wagon against Scorpious, only clears Natalya, and then why do that?! There’s no need whatsoever unless they’re bussing and need to figure out if a Gunsmith might draw out a guilty that mechanically seals their fate? But was there even an indication of a Gunsmith in the game outside of a 1-Shot Vigilante? I don’t know, I just don’t know how to think about this situation and the fact that we really haven’t even gotten close to voting Scum is kind of disheartening.

[Andresvmb]

Galron largely clears Natalya

If you're talking about my result it was only that Natalya had not to that point killed or tried to kill anyone

Yeah I mean the entire Scum Team is alive so yeah Natalya doesn’t have to actually have made any kills and could still be Scum. That’s true. But it does lower the odds relatively speaking. And given how everyone has played and voted, that’s better than random in a game almost everyone in my mind has a random chance of being Scum with the exception of the 1v1 between you and Retti.

[Galron]

The only reason I can think of that Gamma voted T3 out of the gate is to crumb who he checked, but even if that's true, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to do because it implies a guilty result.

[Galron]

I don't know how a gunsmith makes sense here, but maybe I guess. I mean what scum roles would correlate to that.

[Dwlee99]

Lol what if both claims are town

No

[Dwlee99]

Andres do you think pooky is scum here

[Dwlee99]

Also what if enchant is a mafia doctor hmm

[Dwlee99]

Eh the mods wouldn't put a godfather on an even-night gunsmith... Right?

[Andresvmb]

Andres do you think pooky is scum here

I thought Natalya was surely Scum given the NK of Oman who was tunneled on you. Without your claim, you look suspicious as all shit and Natalya was arguing the same, and puts them in a wonderful position to push you, which is exactly how they started today. So yeah, I think all of that is still highly relevant.

[Andresvmb]

Eh the mods wouldn't put a godfather on an even-night gunsmith... Right?

If Retti is Town, I’m losing on Enchant Town absolutely every day of the week. That would be so absurd that it’s not worth thinking about. Not in a game this complicated.

[Galron]

Oh shit. That's pooky. That makes some things clear now.

[Andresvmb]

I've read back through those 20 pages, and honestly, I'm still hard on Dwlee for the same reasons. Especially insofar as the last two pages reinforce that. It's hard to consider Dwlee as "scumhunting" or "solving" when they're just so obsessed with who is voting them. Even seeing the "if i was a vig I'd vig you tonight" is such a damn frustrating thing to read because if you're scum it all tracks so hard, but if you're town it's so unhelpfully antagonistic.


A vote on Dwlee is -3, which I'm not sweating right now, but I am going to hold any vote past -3 until we see some more from the forgotten members of this game.

Oman was writing stuff like this and they got NK’ed, and I’m supposed to be certain it’s not a frame? C’mon now. They were setting you up for an option as a final execution to win the game.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: dwlee

you literally tunneled on t3 despite it being obvious he is not aligned with dwlee and dwlee being many times scummier and ignored everything i said about dwlee so im not sure how you think you are not responsible here

I mean, how are you ignoring this?

[Dwlee99]

Theoretically it could be scum setting up Natalya to push me but yea

[Andresvmb]

Theoretically it could be scum setting up Natalya to push me but yea

If both Natalya and Oman are Town, and you’re Town, then there’s 0 need to shoot Oman, unless yeah they got wind that they were Rolecop and that’s the one huge caveat. They probably didn’t want to shoot there because then all they have to do is wait and that’s 2 Town practically convinced you’re Scum which wins them the game.

[Dwlee99]

But couldn't Natalya go in having a person convinced then

[Andresvmb]

So maybe Natalya has been bad and town and Scum was setting that up sure but was there a voice supporting that push? And do not for a second doubt that Pooky isn’t happy to set up a 1v1 there to win the game.

[Dwlee99]

I mean this is all fair

[Dwlee99]

Galron/Fua/Natalya/Scorpius scum pool? I want to believe Retti is town