Shirou's Mini Normal Review, January 2022

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/in to mod a mini

13p Mini-Normal Setup designed by me, submitting to review:

Mafia 1-shot BP Traitor
Mafia Informed Doctor (There's a Vigilante)
Mafia Ninja
Town Informed Nurse (There's a Traitor)
Town Follower
Town Motion Detector
Town Voyeur
Town VT
Town VT
Town VT
Town VT
Town Novice Vigilante
Town Psychologist

note: I know it's recommended as a first time mod to get a pre-made setup or so, but I already have 3 years of experience as a player and I would really like to mod a setup of my own design.

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Primary: Isis
Secondary: mastina

[Shirou]

oh hi mastina and Isis

[Isis]

What a weird setup. Everything depends on how well the ninja plays

[Isis]

I tolerate swing a lot more than most reviewers.


I think the setup as a whole has too much power for town. I'd pass it with the follower dropped.

[Shirou]

I think the setup as a whole has too much power for town. I'd pass it with the follower dropped.

yeah I was thinking of dropping one of the Town PRs but I wasn't sure which would be the best one.

Maybe we could drop both voyeur and motion detector for follower though? I think voyeur/motion are a bit useless other than for denying fakeclaims.

[Shirou]

What a weird setup. Everything depends on how well the ninja plays

It's very swingy yes.

A high-risk, high-reward sort of thing I suppose?

[Isis]

Yes I agree the MD and voyeur are useless, that's why the follower is what's cut. I think the town is pretty strong in this setup.

Traitorization is a pretty strong town effect.

The voyeur can do weird stuff like blackmail a trueclaiming solo doctor into performing the doctor action. That's p cool. It's hard for the town to figure out how to get the equity out but they can try.

[Shirou]

Yes I agree the MD and voyeur are useless, that's why the follower is what's cut. I think the town is pretty strong in this setup.

Traitorization is a pretty strong town effect.

The voyeur can do weird stuff like blackmail a trueclaiming solo doctor into performing the doctor action. That's p cool. It's hard for the town to figure out how to get the equity out but they can try.

I thought about it a bit and you're right

The doctor is too fragile to the follower once the ninja is dead, when there's already the vigilante/psychologist to watch out for. I'm okay with cutting out the follower.

[Shirou]

I was also wondering you and mastina opinions on upgrading the traitor to 2-BP shot. Maybe it's too much protection for scum to the vigilante though.

[mastina]

Setup's incredibly swingy, dependent pretty much on the performance of a single role: the mafia ninja. If the ninja is never killed, then the town basically has only two roles and is somewhat weak (especially since the psychologist won't be catching the ninja), but if the ninja dies early, then the town is incredibly strong, with only one (non-multitasking) scum who has to deal with three investigative roles (four, technically, but the night after the ninja dies they gain immunity to the psychologist).

My inclination is to agree with Isis; drop the follower, and it's probably closer to the balanced range. Swingy, but closer to 50-50 in the swing imo.

[Shirou]

Okay, so this would be the final setup right?

Mafia 1-shot BP Traitor
Mafia Informed Doctor (There's a Vigilante)
Mafia Ninja
Town Informed Nurse (There's a Traitor)
Town Motion Detector
Town Voyeur
Town VT
Town VT
Town VT
Town VT
Town VT
Town Novice Vigilante
Town Psychologist

Thank you for the suggestions Isis/Mastina. I'll drop/cut out the follower then.

[Isis]

yeah that looks good

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This will be entering signups next since the setup is passed, but you should also post role PMs and ideally your ruleset so we can look over them.