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[fferyllt]

Votecount 1.12

(flavor images suspended until SirCakez is back)

Grendel (9) - Ircher, catboi, Save The Dragons, MUSHSHAGANA, Tet, Cephrir, Galron, Malakittens, Dunnstral
Andante (4) - tictac, The Three Bears, Val89, Roden
Ircher (2) - mastina, Toogeloo
Val89 (1) - NorwegianboyEE

Not voting (5) - TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta, Grendel, Bell, Andante


(expired on 2022-01-20 11:12:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

Please let me know if you see any errors with this count!

[Roden]

Dunn voted Grendel, the slot is actually at E-2 right now. I don't want to put them into hammer range since we should get a claim first, so I'll wait to vote until we get a replacement.

[fferyllt]

Dunn voted Grendel, the slot is actually at E-2 right now

fixed, thanks!

[Tet]

Tet Adante Dunn

~Mama

No shot you get me limmed this game, sort elsewhere.

[Toogeloo]

I really appreciate how committed you are to being constructive.

In an effort to be more... constructive, would you like I place a vote on Grendel, or would you like them to stay at E-2 for now?

[Cephrir]

go for it

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: Grendel

[NorwegianboyEE]

LET’S GET THIS GAME OUT FROM DAY 1.
VOTE: Grendel

[mastina]

And people actually said that the Dunnstral slot was scum.

It is tho?

[mastina]

In case I die tonight, tictac is my pocket scumread and Mastina!town would trust that read.

I don't remember you having a history with tictac but I am probably a dummy dum dum with it existing and me being a total moron in having forgotten it, but yes, I would trust you there.

(btw if anything happened in Greeting's last page of posting that was alignment indicative I didn't really see it because I was too focused on reporting Greeting's posts, so let me know if I missed anything important on that page.)

[mastina]

You seem much less engaged than when you are town.

I'm also a lot more sick from Covid, busy with work in

spite

of being sick with Covid, and in general busy with rl than in past towngames.

I'm trying to keep up on streams I watch, I'm trying to keep up on professional league of legends, I've got numerous doctor stuff I need to get done, I've got a bunch of job stuff I need to do, I work 5/7 days a week for ~5 hours give or take (and commute adds 2 hours per day given 1 hour one-way so that's 7/24 hours for work), I'm suffering from the symptoms listed in here of EXTREME fatigue (I'm literally dead tired right now a full 1-3 hours before I normally would be and I've been exhausted all day), not to mention that I am still coughing 18 days after my symptoms first appeared and the cough isn't going away.

And on top of all that?

I'm more busy with online stuff here, too, and then on top of that?

This game's going at, what, 20 pages per rl day? Something close to that.

Given my covid-induced chronic fatigue and swamp of rl stuff, I'm doing the best that I can.

When I am more recovered and when I am less swamped, I'll be around more.

That won't happen immediately, I gave the timeline already. Circa 2 weeks, give or take a week. 1 week if I'm lucky, 3 weeks if I'm unlucky.

I WILL be doing the explaining I want to do, I WILL be doing the pushes I want to do, just...I literally

can't

yet.

[mastina]

Oops that was meant to be bundled with this post, too, accidentally forgot to merge my windows.

I am Helen Marshall, a non-consecutive night friendly neighbor.

So I don't really believe this claim since I don't really see the flavor connection and Helen Marshall is infected by The Hiss lategame and is one of the lategame bosses, but I'll trust those with more intimate flavor knowledge than my own. (I know a lot about the game, but I don't know

everything

about the game and there's apparently people like Toogeloo who do in fact know everything about the game.)

[mastina]

yeah definitely a confirmable role, I'm not voting ircher out, I'll deal with reads later
UNVOTE: ircher

Oh I should also mention this.

I don't believe the claim, but I acknowledge it's not to be elimmed D1 so I do need to do this:

UNVOTE: Ircher

Back to fully sheeping LLD.

[mastina]

I looked up Tet's main and they're just obvious town this game

^^^

[mastina]

TL;DR Helen Marshall isn't really Friendly Neighbor material IMHO, but it's a confirmable role, so... Whatever.

So if the flavor isn't a good fit and the role ends up not confirmed can we agree to elim Ircher then?

You can argue not on D2 and Ircher's claim would mean not D3 either but if Ircher isn't clear by D4, with the confirmable role not confirmed and the flavor not matching and the play being scum can we kill the scum who is fakeclaiming (Ircher) then?

[Dunnstral]

And people actually said that the Dunnstral slot was scum.

It is tho?

Based on?

[mastina]

Mastina will become obvious one way or the other given the space. So they get time until it's evident that benefit of the doubt is being taken advantage of.

I guarantee you, and this IS a promise (one that I can keep), that:
-When I am not as sick from covid as I am,
-When I am not as swamped with important rl shit as I am,
-When the game pace slows down somewhat,
-And/or when I have less shit to do onsite,
(It only needs to be like 2-3/4 of these, it needs to be more than one and yes ideally all four but I can get by with only 2-3 of them being true.)

I'll be doing everything that I

want

to be doing but can't.

But right now I AM very badly sick from covid;
I AM swamped with REALLY important rl shit to take care of;
The game pace IS hard to keep up with right now;
I DO have a lot of onsite shit to keep up with.

This game gets a bit of the short end of the stick right now but I do promise it won't last indefinitely.

Now, while I can promise a return to prime form after I'm less bogged down, I can't promise a

date

on the return to form. Even my 2 weeks give or take a week is just an estimate not a guarantee. But with these conditions met or mostly met, I CAN and DO guarantee I WILL be doing all the shit I want to. I'll give a full breakdown of each player, my read on them, etc., in more detail, along with changes, shifts, everything that I can think of. It'll happen, it's just that I can't do it

right now

.

[mastina]

And people actually said that the Dunnstral slot was scum.

It is tho?

Based on?

Being the scumplay of both heads of the hydra and of the combined nature of the hydra.

[Dunnstral]

Which is what

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina we get it, you're busy. You can just try to make as much content as possible instead of focusing it on JUST saying how busy you are and why.

[mastina]

Mastina we get it, you're busy. You can just try to make as much content as possible instead of focusing it on JUST saying how busy you are and why.

Yes which is these:

And people actually said that the Dunnstral slot was scum.

It is tho?

Based on?

Being the scumplay of both heads of the hydra and of the combined nature of the hydra.

TL;DR Helen Marshall isn't really Friendly Neighbor material IMHO, but it's a confirmable role, so... Whatever.

So if the flavor isn't a good fit and the role ends up not confirmed can we agree to elim Ircher then?

You can argue not on D2 and Ircher's claim would mean not D3 either but if Ircher isn't clear by D4, with the confirmable role not confirmed and the flavor not matching and the play being scum can we kill the scum who is fakeclaiming (Ircher) then?

I looked up Tet's main and they're just obvious town this game

^^^

yeah definitely a confirmable role, I'm not voting ircher out, I'll deal with reads later
UNVOTE: ircher

Oh I should also mention this.

I don't believe the claim, but I acknowledge it's not to be elimmed D1 so I do need to do this:

UNVOTE: Ircher

Back to fully sheeping LLD.

Oops that was meant to be bundled with this post, too, accidentally forgot to merge my windows.

I am Helen Marshall, a non-consecutive night friendly neighbor.

So I don't really believe this claim since I don't really see the flavor connection and Helen Marshall is infected by The Hiss lategame and is one of the lategame bosses, but I'll trust those with more intimate flavor knowledge than my own. (I know a lot about the game, but I don't know

everything

about the game and there's apparently people like Toogeloo who do in fact know everything about the game.)

do u think its possible that norwee mixed up his reg playstyle to try and sneak by as scum here?

Oh he's tried that before, it doesn't work.

Also even if he did, this is his regular playstyle anyway, so...

(Btw sorry I'm not doing much. My brain is a scattered mess. I wanted to be here last night but couldn't be, I wanted to do stuff today but now I'm like trying to do five different things, I've got adhd bad with a focus on watching the lec debut day, watching a stream of FFVII Remake that'll be coming up, league, streaming, here, attending to a text I got which I need to not forget about, work stuff including something that if I don't attend to I'll literally lose my job, medical stuff including needing to check to make sure there's no conflict between my medical appointment and work, looking into if I can get an appointment sooner than the medical appointment for behavioral health to get a gender dysphoria diagnosis sooner, probably more? I've got like ten things to do, too many things to do in too little time. I wasn't around last night but I honestly shouldn't be around now, I'm here now because I need to be here rather than because I'm in the mindset. I promise that I WILL be explaining, I WILL be doing better content, when I'm not genuinely swamped with all this shit. It should clear up within a couple of weeks altho I admit that unfortunately, I probably won't be able to get my shit together before the end of D1. I'll still TRY of course so with LUCK I'll get done earlier and be able to do things sooner but I don't want to make a promise I can't keep and the fact of the matter is, I've got a bunch of shit going on and will be busy for ~2 weeks or so. I SHOULD be better circa February, and with LUCK I can be better sooner, but I will be having trouble. Shouldn't be much of a problem tho because we're eliminating Ircher my top suspect right now anyway and I'm not a top priority nightkill so circa D2 I'll be able to play, explain things, become more obvtown, etc. Just sucks that it'll need to wait. Hope people understand.)

@Mastina
I see you are online. Do you still agree with Ircher wagon? I want to flip this to death so we can move on.

Yup!

Now granted. I'll need to keep my promise to LLD. So I'll need to sheep her vote.

But I'm using her unvoting without revoting as an excuse to keep my vote on Ircher since unvoting isn't a vote on someone meaning I don't need to remove my vote when she unvotes, and Ircher's a scumread, so...

SHOW ME

I don't think I need to say it but I'll say it anyway; LLD v StD is TvT.

Btw side-note, StD v Roden is pretty obviously TvT but I can't really go in as much depth as I'd prefer to there since I'm not sure I'll be able to get caught up yet alone be lucid. I'm running out of time tonight, both before I need sleep and in brain power.)

Wowee this sure seems like an example of a place where obvious scum cephrir must be different in an explainable way!!!

It is

uhhh what is happening on this page?? If I'm reading this right and Mush is bullying the best faerie bear, HOW DARE YOU.

Mush v Flea is to me I'm not sure if it's hilarious or depressing as it's two plural people fighting each other when I'm pretty damn sure both are town now.

I think these early read lists of yours arent things you normally would elaborate on, but I'd really appreciate follow-up on Noree, and a range of confidence in that tr.

I have like a 66% ability to soulread Norwee.

As in, 2/3rds of the time, I can soulread Norwee--and even in the one third where I can't soulread Norwee, I can't get a read on Norwee.

So when I say Norwee is town here, without a doubt? It's the soulread in effect.

Why can I soulread Norwee? Fucked if I know, I legit have no clue why Norwee's the one player onsite that I have the soulread ability of in 2021-2022. But I can, and this is Norwee as town.

With very very high confidence.

The thing about ircher is that I hate multiquote when it's responding to more than one person. My eyes just glaze over. And it's difficult to quote snip. I've read through his two wall multi-quotes though and they're on point, just not a lot of depth. But that's pot and kettle.

While I feel like Ircher is scum, I am honor-bound to defend him on this point in spite of how it'd potentially weaken my standing in terms of pushing Ircher as scum, in that Ircher doing the multiquote with things that are on-point is actually his town meta.

It's just that him not having depth is still him being scum since the difference between town and scum is that town quotestripes and is onpoint with depth and Ircher as scum occasionally (but does not as consistently) quotestripes onpoint but lacks depth.

(Btw side-note, StD v Roden is pretty obviously TvT but I can't really go in as much depth as I'd prefer to there since I'm not sure I'll be able to get caught up yet alone be lucid. I'm running out of time tonight, both before I need sleep and in brain power.)

I'll do a readslist but I'm not as confident in some reads.

It's okay, you can borrow my confidence by sheeping me. <3

that is one extremely non-controversial readslist

Disagree, it's got a couple of reads I'd call incredibly controversial:

***Town***
Ceph
-
Mastina
***Scum***

mastina does a lot of hocus pocus to get her reads

I mean, generally speaking, yes--I have a method to make something out of what many see as nothing. I have a whole process involved in generating reads from the RVS. It's basically something I've got down to a science. So yes, I do have a way of pulling rabbits out of my hat when it comes to the RVS.

...But while that might be true

in general

, when it comes to

this

game?

You don't need to be me in order to get reads from the first two pages.

This is, genuinely, the biggest, most telling, first two pages I've ever seen in any game ever on mafiascum.net. I've never seen a game where the reads were more obvious more quickly. We basically had the shortest RVS possible in a large theme because by the end of page two, reads on basically everyone became ridiculously easy.

Three Bears, Mastina and Mush is my block of trusted individuals ATM.
More applications are welcome.

Well, {Bell, StD} for a start are obvious.
{Tet, tictac, Malakittens} are also solid additions.

Plus LLD's basically modslipped conftown, so can be added as well.

Save The Dragons said "Fourth" and he is your second highest townread

With damn good reason--that genuinely was enough to instantly clear him as obvtown to me.

These?

Yes, but also:

Lady Lambdadelta
The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
Bell
Save The Dragons
NorwegianboyEE
Tet
Roden
tictac
Malakittens

Dwlee99
Princess Elodie
Greeting

MUSHSHAGANA

T3
Toogeloo

Galron
MegAzumarill
Arcade Pals (Dunnstral, MariaR)

Ircher
Cephrir

This is, very obviously, Cephrir's scumgame. LLD was dead on the money with her accusation there. If I wasn't sheeping LLD's vote on Ircher I'd be voting Ceph to be honest because he's transparently scum and has been since page two.

This is, very obviously, not Ircher's towngame. LLD's suspicion there is dead on the money and her accusation there is good, so I am all too happy to sheep her there because she's right.

Arcade Pals instantly gave off incredibly bad vibes and while they're not as lockscum as Ircher and Cephrir are, they're still pretty damn suspect.

MegAzumarill is also pretty sketchy, although from memory I don't remember why. I can say that if I were to quote Meg's posts though it'd instantly stand out, similar to the way Arcade Pals and Galron would.

Galron just seems like obvscum here from the getgo, in a way similar to MegAzumarill and Arcade Pals, albeit my lack of familiarity with him and the comparatively minor nature of the scumness means he's higher on the list.

Toogeloo is a blank for me because they're Toog, honestly. I don't know how to read Toog. I just don't. And even if I thought I could (I know I can't), from Toog's content so far, I've got no read one way or another.

T3's content so far has been distressingly not town, but also not alarmingly scum.

Mush I can't get a read on, but I'm sheeping LLD's townread there.

Greeting is obviously town and pretty damn transparently so.
Ditto with Princess Elodie.
This is Dwlee's towngame here pretty obviously as well.

Malakittens I feel doesn't make her V/LA post in the way she did if she's scum so I think that she's town here.
tictac has made it instantly and very obvious that he's town here, from not just the claim but also play, where he's pushing, etc.
Roden, this is the town Roden I've seen before I'm like 90% sure of that.
Tet, knowing who Tet is, is very very VERY obviously town playing their towngame.
This is the towniest Norwee has ever been ever, so he's just obvtown.
StD is also the towniest he's ever been, at least if you know his meta (which by now, I do). This is NOT StD as scum, at all, whatsoever.
Bell's an open book to read. He's posting so he's town. Purely by play, this is my strongest townread.
LLD and The Three Bears are genuinely modslipped to be conftown. Even if they weren't, I think that LLD's town here and The Three Bears are quite painfully obviously town. Three Bears would probably be my second-strongest townread behind Bell (although with StD and Norwee in the running with Tet not far behind, it's a very close call since genuinely Three Bears StD Norwee Tet and Bell are all just THAT town this game), but the modslip elevates them even higher.

All of these reads I'm incredibly confident in and I legit think that this is genuinely my best D1 readslist of all time.

(I think you get the idea, I trust I've made my point that my iso isn't just "will do things later, promise".)

[mastina]

(oops forgot to edit out some fluff and some "will do this later"s from the quotes above. But, even with me accidentally leaving them in I think you can see the content there and yes it basically all holds true still; the gamestate hasn't changed in like 2000 posts. Some reads have strengthened, but by and large my reads back then still are identical to my reads now because literally everything that's happened has basically only reinforced the existing reads to me.)

[catboi]

LET’S GET THIS GAME OUT FROM DAY 1.
VOTE: Grendel

thank you


Like I said, just close your eyes and yeet it

[tictac]

i see a thing happened

[SirCakez]

boop