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[Aristeia]

SS do you have any reads or thoughts you'd like to share?

No, other than wondering aloud if your main has been outed.

Oh cmon dear give me just one read? Who do you feel most confident in?

[Frogsterking]

I spectated a game with frog and theyre very different tonally here ^.^

I spectated a game with frog and theyre very different tonally here ^.^

they're different in which direction >_>

they're different in which direction >_>

What does this mean, why would there be a single direction

rtp said how frog is different in this game than in some other one

i don't know if that means "frog is different here than in a scumgame, so i think they're town" or "frog is different here than in a towngame, so i think they're scum"

I haven't rolled scum in a mafia game in several years and I haven't played since my last game here almost exactly one year ago.

IMO the small cluster of games I completed here a couple years ago were all town and very different tonally from each other between games and within the same game.

I don't believe meta is a useful tool to screen me because I don't have one and I don't believe the above quoted is an application of meta that is going places.

[Frogsterking]

Spoiler:

Part 1: https://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/ ... neo300.htm

Take the short or long version of the test then copy paste results (and specify which version please.) Link source is credible and the webpage contains further links to credible sources with very detailed information on this psychometric tool if you want to read.

Part 2 is below and can be copy pasted or quote-edited underneath your test results from Part 1. There are 15 Likert-scale questions (1-5), two short response questions, and one list.

__________

Part 2:

(Short written response)

How do you tell stories?

Answer:

(15 Likert scale questions, choose 1-5: 1 = Very strongly disagree and 5 = Very strongly agree)

I frequently am interested in an early town block when playing mafia online.
12345
I frequently double-down under pressure on my FoS when playing mafia online.
12345
I frequently get mis-eliminated early when playing mafia online.
12345
I frequently can identify correctly on D1 who is town when playing mafia online.
12345
I frequently can convince others of who to eliminate when playing mafia online.
12345
I can manipulate others in a variety of situations offline.
12345
I lie frequently in a variety of situations offline.
12345
I Socialize frequently in a variety of situations offline.
12345
I Can tell when others are lying in a variety of situations offline.
12345
I Can often convince others of complete fabrications in a variety of situations offline.
12345
I have at least five strong town reads at this point in time.
12345
I believe we should execute EoD a player in the middle of most players PoE at this point in time.
12345
I believe there is more than one scum at the bottom of my PoE at this point in time.
12345
I believe this is an easy town for mafia to hide in at this point in time.
12345
I'm at least moderately suspicious of any of the top three most active posters at this point in time.
12345

(Short written response)

How do you create stories?

Answer:



Sort full player PoE list at this point in time:

(most town)

Almost50
Andresvmb
Aristeia
Datisi
Frogsterking
House
innocentvillager
Laplacian
OutWorldER
Reformed Toxic Player
skitter30
Something_Smart
VP Baltar

(most mafia)

__________

Mine:

Part 1: https://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/ ... neo300.htm

I took the short test!

DOMAIN/Facet Score
EXTRAVERSION 34
..Friendliness 13
..Gregariousness 21
..Assertiveness 44
..Activity Level 88
..Excitement-Seeking 56
..Cheerfulness 18
Your score on Extraversion is average, indicating you are neither a subdued loner nor a jovial chatterbox. You enjoy time with others but also time alone.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
AGREEABLENESS 7
..Trust 1
..Morality 29
..Altruism 13
..Cooperation 1
..Modesty 55
..Sympathy 73
Your score on Agreeableness is low, indicating less concern with others' needs Than with your own. People see you as tough, critical, and uncompromising.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 3
..Self-Efficacy 1
..Orderliness 3
..Dutifulness 28
..Achievement-Striving 46
..Self-Discipline 4
..Cautiousness 22
Your score on Conscientiousness is low, indicating you like to live for the moment and do what feels good now. Your work tends to be careless and disorganized.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
NEUROTICISM 99
..Anxiety 99
..Anger 99
..Depression 63
..Self-Consciousness 75
..Immoderation 99
..Vulnerability 99
Your score on Neuroticism is high, indicating that you are easily upset, even by what most people consider the normal demands of living. People consider you to be sensitive and emotional.

DOMAIN/Facet Score
OPENNESS 75
..Imagination 89
..Artistic Interests 78
..Emotionality 65
..Adventurousness 86
..Intellect 70
..Liberalism 10
Your score on Openness to Experience is high, indicating you enjoy novelty, variety, and change. You are curious, imaginative, and creative.
__________

Part 2:

(Short written response)

How do you tell stories?

Answer: I prefer to have everything written down and practiced before hand because often I get anxious and talk too quickly and skip over details. Often when it comes time to tell the story I'm running late, can't find the location, and I've not finished the story yet and/or I've misplaced something I needed which makes the anxiety worse. Usually I'm avoiding being the one to tell the story and I'm trying to become the one to write the script or come up with ideas.

(15 Likert scale questions, choose 1-5: 1 = Very strongly disagree and 5 = Very strongly agree)

I frequently am interested in an early town block when playing mafia online.
123

4

5
I frequently double-down under pressure on my FoS when playing mafia online.
1234

5

I frequently get mis-eliminated early when playing mafia online.

1

2345
I frequently can identify correctly on D1 who is town when playing mafia online.
123

4

5
I frequently can convince others of who to eliminate when playing mafia online.
1234

5

I can manipulate others in a variety of situations offline.

1

2345
I lie frequently in a variety of situations offline.

1

2345
I Socialize frequently in a variety of situations offline.
1

2

345
I Can tell when others are lying in a variety of situations offline.
12

3

45
I Can often convince others of complete fabrications in a variety of situations offline.

1

2345
I have at least five strong town reads at this point in time.
1234

5

I believe we should execute EoD a player in the middle of most players PoE at this point in time.
123

4

5
I believe there is more than one scum at the bottom of my PoE at this point in time.
12

3

45
I believe this is an easy town for mafia to hide in at this point in time.
1

2

345
I'm at least moderately suspicious of any of the top three most active posters at this point in time.

1

2345

(Short written response)

How do you create stories?

Answer: My stories are intuitively/heuristically derived, I create them all the time in my head automatically and I just choose aspects of what I'm seeing to focus on and become the story.



Sort full player PoE list at this point in time:

(most town)

Frogsterking
skitter30
House
Datisi
Aristeia
Almost50
OutWorldER
Laplacian
Andresvmb
innocentvillager
Something_Smart
Reformed Toxic Player
VP Baltar

(most mafia)

Yeah, no... I'm a phone poster, so I'm not doing this.

I can empathize with this because I started writing the survey on my phone and had to switch to my laptop to finish it.

[skitter30]

Eh frog is probably town

[Frogsterking]

I would be down to yeet Frog just for asking people to fill that insanity out and claiming it is protown.


Happy cake day, RTP!

FYI this looks like a scum post here.

If it's coming from town then with a town like this who needs scum?

The first prototype of this start was used in a Mini Normal and that game ended in a town win!!

Can I get a link to this game?

..no.

[Datisi]

Eh frog is probably town

why

[VP Baltar]

..no.

Lol OK

UNVOTE:
VOTE: frog

[Datisi]

i am going to be a bit selfish because i'd like to believe this might help me read this game

Spoiler: do not open if your name isn't vp baltar

The first prototype of this start was used in a Mini Normal and that game ended in a town win!!

Can I get a link to this game?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85345

[Frogsterking]

VP Baltar
(most mafia)

any updated reasoning for this?

Yes when I was reading the thread my read on VP Baltar became more negative at the same time you posted things that aligned roughly with what I was thinking minus the meta:

221 is a post that i *really* want to call bad for reasons that would most definitely get easily disputed and ultimately do not actually mean anything

which is reminding me of the fact how useful it would be to have iv actually play the darn game if he's town

Baltar seems to be playing how I remember him playing 2195 where he was town.

:thonk:

nevermind scratch that, now i want to townread baltar because i don't think scum!him forgets whether someone is townreading or scumreading him, and surely he would be faking something like this?? haha??? surely????

221 is a post that i *really* want to call bad for reasons that would most definitely get easily disputed and ultimately do not actually mean anything

Elaborate.

221 is bad because like
i don't think it's groundbreaking to say that not every post in a game gets a reaction from people. and the fact that he said he didn't like that iv's nakedvote doesn't mean that he automatically thinks any and all nakedvotes are bad because context do be important sometimes. this is something that we all know. but your post kinda ~ignores~ that fact and goes on the offence on "why didn't you react to this" which has the subtle implication that ower is scum for not reacting to it because he's scum breaking his own principle of "all nakedvotes are scummy" which would then obviously mean that that principle was made up in the first place therefore he's scum. BUT just ebcause he found one nakedvote scummy doesn't mean he finds all of them scummy so you're subtly and subconsciously making us think he said that when he did NOT

I believe I observed the same or very similar tells from VP Baltar that you observed but I had a much more pessimistic interpretation of them. It seems that you have knowledge about VP Baltar which is affecting your interpretation and I don't know enough about it to trust it over what I'm observing.

[Frogsterking]

Eh frog is probably town

Do you think VP Baltar and I are t v t?

[Something_Smart]

Who do you feel most confident in?

OWER town I guess?

[VP Baltar]

i am going to be a bit selfish because i'd like to believe this might help me read this game

Spoiler: do not open if your name isn't vp baltar

The first prototype of this start was used in a Mini Normal and that game ended in a town win!!

Can I get a link to this game?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85345

Thanks.

Ok, from what I can tell, the survey didn't actually lead to catching scum. Early game, frogster had most of the scum team in the town pile on a survey he admits is pseudoscience.

I'm really not sure why you would waste everyone's time on this a second time when the first wasn't particularly successful, and I find it fairly dubious to list two seemingly unrelated events ("we took the survey" and "town won") when it is not clear at all they have any relation.

Frog, what is compelling you to run the survey again when it made you town bin the scum for much of the first game?

[Datisi]

It seems that you have knowledge about VP Baltar which is affecting your interpretation and I don't know enough about it to trust it over what I'm observing.

my relevant knowledge of him here is that i have a tendency to gut-scumread every single thing he does due to naturally finding his tone scummy and due to getting *very* badly burned once. realistically, 221 is a pretty nai post i think?

[Frogsterking]

i am going to be a bit selfish because i'd like to believe this might help me read this game

Spoiler: do not open if your name isn't vp baltar

The first prototype of this start was used in a Mini Normal and that game ended in a town win!!

Can I get a link to this game?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85345

Thanks.

Ok, from what I can tell, the survey didn't actually lead to catching scum. Early game, frogster had most of the scum team in the town pile on a survey he admits is pseudoscience.

I'm really not sure why you would waste everyone's time on this a second time when the first wasn't particularly successful, and I find it fairly dubious to list two seemingly unrelated events ("we took the survey" and "town won") when it is not clear at all they have any relation.

Frog, what is compelling you to run the survey again when it made you town bin the scum for much of the first game?

Most of this information is inaccurate and I believe you're open wolfing at this point. I think one of your partners is innocentvillager.

In answer to your question, your face is compelling me to run the survey again.

[VP Baltar]

Most of this information is inaccurate and I believe you're open wolfing at this point. I think one of your partners is innocentvillager.

In answer to your question, your face is compelling me to run the survey again.

You cannot possibly be this ridiculous after being on this website for 10 years.

What did I say that is inaccurate?

[House]

House, what is your thought on IV?

I'm naturally wary of old guard.

I'm not even gonna pretend to have a read on players with older join dates than my own this early on d1.

... except Titus. I'll call her town on page 1 and marry that read.

[VP Baltar]

I'm naturally wary of old guard.

You're probably considered old guard at this point. But why do you feel that way?

[Frogsterking]

It seems that you have knowledge about VP Baltar which is affecting your interpretation and I don't know enough about it to trust it over what I'm observing.

my relevant knowledge of him here is that i have a tendency to gut-scumread every single thing he does due to naturally finding his tone scummy and due to getting *very* badly burned once. realistically, 221 is a pretty nai post i think?

I'm gut-scumreading everything he says at this point. I'm noticing he doesn't share a lot with others and a consistent lack of follow up to his questions.

It makes sense that he burned you once as scum if he usually doesn't make the game any easier when he's town.

There seem to be a few strong scum hunters here so I'm interested if others think 221 is AI. I imagine there might be a range. I'm pretty good at scumhunting (or I used to be) over live chat but I'm not as good at forum and I consider 221 AI.

[House]

I'm naturally wary of old guard.

You're probably considered old guard at this point. But why do you feel that way?

Not really, I was only active for a couple years.

I've only recently (legitimately) returned.

I was here a while under different names evading my indefinite ban, but my play was so stilted trying to avoid being caught out that those games didn't really benefit me much.

I still feel like a rookie, in many respects.

[Datisi]

here are reads that have a 140% chance of making me look like an idiot in post-game

the closer to the left edge you are, the more i townread you
the closer to the right edge you are, the more i scumread you
and the further up you are, the bigger the headache you give me

Spoiler:

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I consider myself old school mafia wise and ive been playing since 2016 lol

[House]

I would hammer frog over Baltar 10 times out of 10, at this point.

Still prefer Scorpious, though.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Glad to not be at the top there for once datisi:3

[House]

here are reads that have a 140% chance of making me look like an idiot in post-game

the closer to the left edge you are, the more i townread you
the closer to the right edge you are, the more i scumread you
and the further up you are, the bigger the headache you give me

Spoiler:

NGL, kinda honored.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Ok really frog is town theyre just pushing silly strategy which isnt scummy just ambitious :3