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[Reformed Toxic Player]

my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

[Reformed Toxic Player]

a50 is the only null methinks

[House]

my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

Your "solve" is 66.666666666667% wrong.

Glass houses & whatnot.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Oh Andresvmb is null too but I can never read him right as town recently anyways but he doesn't seem to have an agenda anyways and I trust his self meta :3

[skitter30]

my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

not sure i see this solve tbh >.>

i think vp is probably town, and maybe iv too
unsure abt laplacian

[House]

unsure abt laplacian

That's my primary question mark in light green, with the outside possibility of Datisi as dark horse.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I think laplacian should be easiest to see as scum but that's just me ig :3

[House]

a50 is the only null methinks

A null A50 is a scum A50.

Town A50 is active & engaged.

[VP Baltar]

It's ok pat pat
VOTE: laplacian
I never Townresd this slot btw I just wanted to be the good cop whole people were pushing them to get them to feel hopeful: 3

If your other read is iv, why are you switching votes?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Pee pee poo poo

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I do what I want

[VP Baltar]

Rah roh. Scumslip detected.

[VP Baltar]

Also, this FUCK didn't even say THANK YOU when I said happy cake day.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Skitter see :3

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Oh I didn't actually send the post about why you switched your read on baltsr but I did write up it was a poor reason because it was just discrediting froggy hehe :3

[skitter30]

Hmmmm ?

[Aristeia]

my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

I like this solve

[Frogsterking]

I was in the game that Frogster used his SSS thing (assuming he's referring to 2185). It required taking a psychometric test (OCEAN) and I don't remember it being used for much outside of D1.

though that game was a fuck-fest in several ways so I'm not surprised Frogster would want to test his theory out in another game.

Lapla feels a lot like newb town to me. The post that Dats is getting him on feels like a new town that's unsure of himself, especially when faced with the possibility of some strange new survey (from his perspective). I also don't agree with the whole "giving Frogster a roadmap to get on his goodside" bit since, he's just, not? I'm not sure how to phrase how I feel about that bit.

The general concept around Lap!scum is that it's time to put your Newbie Queue scum radar back on. This is the right idea brought up in the quote above, but the wrong conclusion: Lap isn't newb town that's unsure of himself he's newb scum in a normal on a team with a50..

The thematic connection of the a50/Lap/

?

scum team is "strange awkward lurkers just trying to get by"

Okay, I'm caught up and Frogsterking's post stuck out the most for me. It feels a lot like "I made a helpful town thing, look how townie I am!". If he posts the survey and it is legit helpful, then consider this retracted, but until then it's blatantly grabbing for trust.
VOTE: Frogsterking

This was the first post that started to draw Lap negative attention. But look at the posts leading up to it:

House, you should reveal as IC so we can add "twice" to your sig.

Nah.

Hardclaim: Town Jester

sorry, "claim" would be more accurate. it needs those quotes

awkward jokey trying to fit in

RTP gives me townfeels as well. nothing concrete, but silly posts + cute bunny with a tragic past goes a long way towards building trust

outs a super fake town read on RTP who he knows is town already.

I've played one game with House so far, and this is exactly how he acted as town in that one, including the fast af claim

outs a super fake read on House who he knows already is town.

Vote Count 1.02

innocentvillager (4):

Reformed Toxic Player, OutWorldER, Datisi, Aristeia

Datisi (2):

innocentvillager, House

VP Baltar (1):

Frogsterking

OutWorldER (1):

VP Baltar

Frogsterking (1):

Andresvmb

Not Voting (4):

Almost50, Laplacian, Something_Smart, skitter30

With 13 alive, it's 7 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is February 5 at 10:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-02-05 23:00:00)

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This is the vote count before Lap's newb vote.

In this paradigm of scum!a50 along with scum!Lap, Lap (who is noob) wants to get away from scum buddy a50 in the Not Voting pool.

Notice how in a town!Andre world Lap can shove himself up with Andre's RVS vote while using my initial post as an excuse and pretend like he's on a BW.

Now those were some background details of what initially drew Lap the negative attention. I want to move forward and showcase what Lap did following the bad start:

I don't know Laplacian's alignment, but he makes me laugh.

I aim to please

This is just like a literal scum tell. And possibly not a coincidence either. What in the world is Laplacian talking about in this post?

Anyway, while Big 5 / FFM was made up by actual psychologists and is used in some research, it was still made by taking an assload of subjective observational data, tossing it into a bag of linear algebra, shaking them together and hoping it works. The results are non-orthogonal, omit fundamental aspects of human nature, and traits like neuroticism trivially change based on the testee's mood. Saying "factor analysis" isn't a pass btw; algorithms are biased if their data is biased. My personal favorite was a hiring algorithm where the strongest traits it looked for were playing high-school lacrosse and being named Jared. Yes, researchers get results out of OCEAN tests. Alchemists got results too. Pretending this survey is objective and flawless is peak comedy, and accusing people of being closed minded for dismissing it is some freshmen psych student bullshit.

What the hell is Lap even talking about here. And why the mildly pissed off tone? Who is out to get Lap? This post seems like it could be thrown out to get street cred with VP or anyone else who disliked the survey or make it seem like Lap is taking a hard stance on something, like the wagon they happen to be sitting on.

Oh yeah..Lap is on a BW. Remember??

This one:

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.04

Frogsterking (3):

Andresvmb, Laplacian, VP Baltar

innocentvillager (2):

Reformed Toxic Player, OutWorldER

Datisi (2):

innocentvillager, House

Laplacian (2):

Datisi, Aristeia

VP Baltar (1):

Frogsterking

Not Voting (3):

Almost50, Something_Smart, skitter30

With 13 alive, it's 7 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is February 5 at 10:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-02-05 23:00:00)

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Let's go back in time to Lap's interaction with Datisi to better understand Lap's view and where he left us with his stance on the BW he is a part of:

i could give it a watch once my uni responsibilities die down a bit! if i start watching it now and it's good, i won't stop until i finish it, and that's not good news for my grades.

Okay, I'm caught up and Frogsterking's post stuck out the most for me. It feels a lot like "I made a helpful town thing, look how townie I am!".

If he posts the survey and it is legit helpful, then consider this retracted

, but until then it's blatantly grabbing for trust.
VOTE: Frogsterking

anyway, now that i'm back from my walk - this is not a town post. the bolded is what especially bugs me. *what* is the point of that? assume laplacian is town. why would he post this? why would he be giving his scumread a roadmap on how to get back on his good side? i feel like a townie here who finds the exsitence or lackthereof of the survey would wait to see if the person posts it themselves. this feels more like trying to overjustify their scumread rather than actually trying to read someone.

if this were an older player, i could see this being a reaction test of some sort, but i think it's less likely to be one coming from a new player, so.

First, I'm assuming that he was posting it no matter what. Since saying "I'll post this useful town survey" and then not posting it is even more sketchy. Reevaluating my stance when the survey appears is just natural, and so it's natural to say it.

Second... okay, yeah, explaining what would change my mind is definitely a habit I get should rid of in mafia. Establishing what would change your mind is great for real life, bad for scumhunting. I stand by my vote though.

Okay..cool story Lap. It's nice that you stand by your vote and the American way and your so open about what your thinking and learn from your mistakes. Now the nadir of Lap of all things leaves us with this:

I should probably actually play the game too. frogster is townlean because of the sheer effort but I'm leaving the vote on them anyway because I scored 0.16969% on the openness temperament and a 420% on the grumpy at misusing psych tests trait. House still town, Datsi's giving me good townfeels too with good contributions and thought out posts

First I want to point out the Datisi town read Lap kindly pulls out of his ass for us.

Primarily though the worst part of the quote above is how he uses it to justify his continued existence on a wagon in this hypothetical game state below:

green = town and red = scum, and House very vocally wants to see me executed

(I may have grabbed the wrong VC actually and House had moved to my wagon when 458 was posted by Lap, but you can still get the idea)

Vote Count 1.04

Frogsterking

(3):

Andresvmb

,

Laplacian

,

VP Baltar

innocentvillager (2):

Reformed Toxic Player, OutWorldER

Datisi (2):

innocentvillager,

House

Laplacian (2):

Datisi, Aristeia

VP Baltar (1):

Frogsterking

Not Voting (3):

Almost50, Something_Smart, skitter30

With 13 alive, it's 7 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is February 5 at 10:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-02-05 23:00:00)

It seems a little convenient to decide to sit on the town wagon you've not followed up on since you've received negative attention, along with other townies voting for a miselim, and you choose to stay there simply because of your vendetta against the incorrect use of psych tests.

Now to wrap up my case I grabbed more examples of Lap being weird and awkward and active lurky, just trying to stay alive and park his vote on a medium sized wagon while town is paranoid and death tunnels each other:

I'm not sure if I should be more offended by the double vote, or by them both immediately moving on to talk about anime. Ouch

laplacian i think u could be town talk to me :3

Hell yeah let's talk. Have any good food lately? I made porkchops with a mushroom & whiskey sauce last night, was pretty tasty.

Laplacian do u hate me :c I wanna talk to u and u ignore me :c :c :C

Not ignoring, just typing slow :3

Food is just as good as the game though, just saying...

As for innocentvillager, yeah, little sus. Three posts with one vote, one "Im town", and one about naked voting. And if naked voting is wrong, I should probably get some pants

The survey says I'm a Taurus and should be in Ravenclaw, pretty sure that makes me town.

Thank you for reading my case on scum!Lap which is congruent within the scum!a50 framework. Now my question to you is if you buy into this framework, who is the third?

[Andresvmb]

I’m back tomorrow btw.

Also, @RTP what you voting? I’ll follow you today since I’m quite a bit behind and it’s an easy way for me to figure out what you are. You never did answer my question though about IV but I don’t think IV has come back at all so I’m not sure there’s that much to say anyway.

[Frogsterking]

my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

What are the benefits or logic of a VP/iv/Lap solve rather than a a50/Lap solve?

BTW VOTE: Lap

[House]

Now my question to you is if you buy into this framework

I don't.

[House]

Thank you for reading my case on scum!Lap which is congruent within the scum!a50 framework.

Kinda makes me wonder why you don't want to vote A50, who has a viable & growing wagon.

[Andresvmb]

Also I'm not really caught up nor do I do intend to fully catchup really but I think calling my naked vote bad for the sake of it being a naked vote by itself is bad but I don't have any opinion on who's scummy for that

I was caught up to something like here, but IV actually has posted since. I can take a look myself.

[Frogsterking]

House
innocentvillager

VP Baltar
Frogsterking
Aristeia

Datisi
Laplacian

OutWorldER
Reformed Toxic Player

Something_Smart
Andresvmb
skitter30

Almost50

I would be surprised if any in the dark green flipped scum.

Almost red flip = 1-2 in the pink & 0-1 in yellow/light green
Almost green flip = 2 in the pink, 1 in yellow/light green

Thank you for reading my case on scum!Lap which is congruent within the scum!a50 framework.

Kinda makes me wonder why you don't want to vote A50, who has a viable & growing wagon.

Mostly the choice is personal against Lap and I understand the logic of why Lap is scum better. I don't have meta on a50 so I'm just taking my horde of town reads at their word this is definitely not a50's town play. I'm down to switch.

I just took a look at your framework and it makes sense FMPOV with Lap being the light green flip and 1 in the pink, following a red a50 flip.

I think if you read this game like a Newbie Queue game with a disorganized scum team it's easier to understand the Lap FoS.

I want to hear more from reformed about their theory.

[Frogsterking]

Also I'm not really caught up nor do I do intend to fully catchup really but I think calling my naked vote bad for the sake of it being a naked vote by itself is bad but I don't have any opinion on who's scummy for that

I was caught up to something like here, but IV actually has posted since. I can take a look myself.

House and I stop death tunneling each other eventually. If you're rereadng I guess my recommendation would be to keep an eye out for Lap, a50, and iv, they're a part of a few players solve. House also includes one or more of skitter, you or Something_Smart in their solve and Reformed has VP in their solve.