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[skitter30]

And wrt rtp, his reasoning feels very opaque to me, and i dont really understand his reads

I feel this way about everyone, so it doesn't bother me anymore. (Also, *they)

Ah ty for correcting me, sorry rtp

I mean fair, but i usually tr people based on how well i track their reads and if they make sense (both to them and to me), so the fact that i have trouble understanding their reads is making it hard for me to read them

[Datisi]

His content last night was decent

what content

what content did he put out that made you think decent

[Frogsterking]

completing the survey would be the first thing i would do as scum because i don't believe for a second that someone who has zero prior experience with me can accurately read my alignment based on seeing a personality test report

I mean polygraphs have not been demonstrated to have any test validity whatsoever. They are complete pseudoscience and only a tactic to get people to confess.

If you are concealing a crime that you had committed which is actively being investigated by the police, would you volunteer to take a polygraph test since you know they have no test validity?

[skitter30]

Dats i'll get back to u later tonight for me, i'm abt to be busy again irl

[Datisi]

it is definitely weird, but i know rtp is somewhat easy sometimes to be made out of to look weird because their thought processes aren't 100% connected at times and they don't always elaborate when asked

this is a pure grammatical shitfest but i hope you understand what i am saying

pedit: it's fine i'm really tired anyway

[Datisi]

completing the survey would be the first thing i would do as scum because i don't believe for a second that someone who has zero prior experience with me can accurately read my alignment based on seeing a personality test report

I mean polygraphs have not been demonstrated to have any test validity whatsoever. They are complete pseudoscience and only a tactic to get people to confess.

If you are concealing a crime that you had committed which is actively being investigated by the police, would you volunteer to take a polygraph test since you know they have no test validity?

i wasn't arguing the big five has no validity, i was arguing that it was measuring a construct that is irrelevant to reading my alignment in this game, and therefore it would be easy ~good townie points~ to score by completing it, while actually giving no useful info

[Frogsterking]

frogster, i was asking s_s why he thought that my 392 is wrong but uh thanks i guess

anyway,
still don't really see why iv is townie, so @skitt/baltar/whoever the fuck, lemme know k thanks

i need to speak to rtp because like uhh just as i was able to put away my baltar paranoia for now they did the thing

i'm gonna go pass out at the very late time of 9:21pm because i didn't sleep shit the past two days, see y'all tomorrow

completing the survey would be the first thing i would do as scum because i don't believe for a second that someone who has zero prior experience with me can accurately read my alignment based on seeing a personality test report

I mean polygraphs have not been demonstrated to have any test validity whatsoever. They are complete pseudoscience and only a tactic to get people to confess.

If you are concealing a crime that you had committed which is actively being investigated by the police, would you volunteer to take a polygraph test since you know they have no test validity?

i wasn't arguing the big five has no validity, i was arguing that it was measuring a construct that is irrelevant to reading my alignment in this game, and therefore it would be easy ~good townie points~ to score by completing it, while actually giving no useful info

IDK, do you work harder as scum than as town?

[Something_Smart]

Where are my ~good townie points~, they seem to have been lost in transit

[Frogsterking]

Where are my ~good townie points~, they seem to have been lost in transit

Who is pushing you?

[Aristeia]

He just wants to feel loved

[Datisi]

IDK, do you work harder as scum than as town?

to an outside observer, my towngame seems more effort-y than my scumgame - but i definitely work harder as scum, so. just a lot of that work is behind the scenes. not sure why you ask, tho.

[Aristeia]

i'm gonna go pass out at the very late time of 9:21pm because i didn't sleep shit the past two days, see y'all tomorrow

Hope you sleep better tonight ! <3

[Frogsterking]

I haven't read fully but here are some gth thoughts I had while skimming posts of interest to get me back into this:

Frogster -

I like the idea to do the survey and I will give the weird effort here a leantown.

Spoiler:

Back in my "old guard" days we would do RQS (Random Questioning Stage) sometimes, and a common theme that came up during my games was that people would scumread the person who initially started the RQS because it's "easy content that doesn't actually accomplish anything". I found empirically that, conversely, the people who were starting RQS in that meta were actually more likely to be town, because there were enough people who thought it looked like fluff that scum were afraid to start it. I feel like a similar thing could be happening here; I doubt that scum!Frog does this because they think it will look good, because I don't really know how you could expect to get townread for it. I've personally found that people who do weird, nonconventional thing are more likely to be town (as long as they are clearly not potentially scum!motivated).

RTP - I don't really know who this is or if they have sort sort of history with me (?), but I think the desire to push me hard out of the gate seems genuine in a show-offy way. I doubt many scumplayers would be able to put themselves in the forefront and yell for my elimination. If they were scum, there's no real urgency to push my elimination because I've already sort of stated that I will be more ineffectual than usual this game, which aligns with my historical scum meta. Lean town for now.

Laplacian - RTP asked me to look into this slot a bit ago. I felt very meh about the slot - I realized he got jumped on for some accusation he made and I can see why he got jumped for it but don't feel strongly about what it genuinely means for his alignment.

Aristeia - I've played one game with Aristeia where I was scum and she was town. She sheeped Datisi around the whole day and she's doing the exact same thing here. I'll have more thoughts here later, obviously I don't really want to disclose exactly what I'm looking for.

Datisi - I don't have any thoughts on Datisi's alignment, but he's definitely next on my radar to read if I get some time because I do feel like Datisi gives off genuine hints of towniness if you look closely enough.

skitter - I really don't have any thoughts on skitter. I've concluded I have absolutely no idea how to read her and I doubt I will be able to. I'm very paranoid of this slot in general

.

So where are your survey results, innocentvillager?

[Frogsterking]

IDK, do you work harder as scum than as town?

to an outside observer, my towngame seems more effort-y than my scumgame - but i definitely work harder as scum, so. just a lot of that work is behind the scenes. not sure why you ask, tho.

Because you just said that you would be willing to complete the survey as scum for the free townie points, and in this game you were unwilling to complete the survey, so it implies you would be willing to put in more extra effort as scum than as town.

[Aristeia]

i wasn't arguing the big five has no validity, i was arguing that it was measuring a construct that is irrelevant to reading my alignment in this game, and therefore it would be easy ~good townie points~ to score by completing it, while actually giving no useful info

What if I just want to read your personality profile because I like reading about you?

[Frogsterking]

I haven't read fully but here are some gth thoughts I had while skimming posts of interest to get me back into this:

Frogster -

I like the idea to do the survey and I will give the weird effort here a leantown.

Spoiler:

Back in my "old guard" days we would do RQS (Random Questioning Stage) sometimes, and a common theme that came up during my games was that people would scumread the person who initially started the RQS because it's "easy content that doesn't actually accomplish anything". I found empirically that, conversely, the people who were starting RQS in that meta were actually more likely to be town, because there were enough people who thought it looked like fluff that scum were afraid to start it. I feel like a similar thing could be happening here; I doubt that scum!Frog does this because they think it will look good, because I don't really know how you could expect to get townread for it. I've personally found that people who do weird, nonconventional thing are more likely to be town (as long as they are clearly not potentially scum!motivated).

RTP - I don't really know who this is or if they have sort sort of history with me (?), but I think the desire to push me hard out of the gate seems genuine in a show-offy way. I doubt many scumplayers would be able to put themselves in the forefront and yell for my elimination. If they were scum, there's no real urgency to push my elimination because I've already sort of stated that I will be more ineffectual than usual this game, which aligns with my historical scum meta. Lean town for now.

Laplacian - RTP asked me to look into this slot a bit ago. I felt very meh about the slot - I realized he got jumped on for some accusation he made and I can see why he got jumped for it but don't feel strongly about what it genuinely means for his alignment.

Aristeia - I've played one game with Aristeia where I was scum and she was town. She sheeped Datisi around the whole day and she's doing the exact same thing here. I'll have more thoughts here later, obviously I don't really want to disclose exactly what I'm looking for.

Datisi - I don't have any thoughts on Datisi's alignment, but he's definitely next on my radar to read if I get some time because I do feel like Datisi gives off genuine hints of towniness if you look closely enough.

skitter - I really don't have any thoughts on skitter. I've concluded I have absolutely no idea how to read her and I doubt I will be able to. I'm very paranoid of this slot in general

.

So where are your survey results, innocentvillager?

Does anyone think innocentvillager was trying to pocket me because of his lack of action?

[Frogsterking]

I don't know Laplacian's alignment, but he makes me laugh.

Hmm

[VP Baltar]

it is definitely weird, but i know rtp is somewhat easy sometimes to be made out of to look weird because their thought processes aren't 100% connected at times and they don't always elaborate when asked

this is a pure grammatical shitfest but i hope you understand what i am saying

pedit: it's fine i'm really tired anyway

Yeah, I followed it. That's fine if you're tired. I don't see how rtp can legitimately make themselves out to be a victim when I was just asking a question based on votes and their scum read, but I don't think this is a thing you need to skip sleep over. It can be answered later.

[VP Baltar]

I don't know Laplacian's alignment, but he makes me laugh.

Hmm

I will Stan that psych 101 joke to my grave if I have to.

[Frogsterking]

Do any players here have any meta on each other for how they treat new or lurking scum buddies?

[Datisi]

so it implies you would be willing to put in more extra effort as scum than as town.

it's not about "extra effort". i believe posting my test results as town would have the negative effect of making the game harder to read for me because scum would potentially know better how to interact with me. that drawback isn't worth the positives of getting townpoints as town.

as scum, there is obviously no such drawback because i'm not actually making reads. it's an action that net-negative to do as town but net-positive to do as scum.

What if I just want to read your personality profile because I like reading about you?

i will gladly take the test and send you my results post game of you are truly curious

okay, off for real, don't have too much fun without me

[Frogsterking]

I don't know Laplacian's alignment, but he makes me laugh.

Hmm

I will Stan that psych 101 joke to my grave if I have to.

You don't think it's sus that you're slot is only willing to vote a lurker who claimed named townie and not the player who has been FoSing you all game?

[VP Baltar]

Ari, you're here and agree with RTP's solve. Do you have thoughts on their progression on iv?

[Something_Smart]

i believe posting my test results as town would have the negative effect of making the game harder to read for me because scum would potentially know better how to interact with me.

*blinks*

[Datisi]

why is azelf blinking