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[House]

(at Mathblade, because that's the only way town wins)

[House]

Went and picked up my pc at the shop.

One of the techs poked their head out from the back and shouted, "the gamer's here!" (I've never seen the guy before, must've been based on my rig because it's specced & rgb'ed out).

Gave me warm fuzzies. I was like, yeah... reckanize.

[MathBlade]

Sir, I am not in the PoE.

The game is very easily winnable if we keep focus in the PoE.

I don’t get what your deal is but it’s pretty much proven the scum are in that PoE.

[House]

... except... not ...

[House]

I've clearly outlined "my deal", and you choosing not to engage with it does nothing to change my mind.

[House]

I've already stated my scumreads.

Correct. Reads also evolve. Waiting until the final flip of whoever gets flipped. I also know your read of me is wrong lmao. You aren’t seriously arguing I am scum here despite arguing the correct PoE all game are you?

Yes, because you're completely ignoring the likelihood of VP being roleblocked when he telegraphed being PR in his last post of d1 and leaning WAY TOO HARD on a result that may not even exist INSTEAD OF YOUR ACTUAL PLAY.

"My Deal"

[MathBlade]

I've already stated my scumreads.

Correct. Reads also evolve. Waiting until the final flip of whoever gets flipped. I also know your read of me is wrong lmao. You aren’t seriously arguing I am scum here despite arguing the correct PoE all game are you?

Yes, because you're completely ignoring the likelihood of VP being roleblocked when he telegraphed being PR in his last post of d1 and leaning WAY TOO HARD on a result that may not even exist INSTEAD OF YOUR ACTUAL PLAY.

"My Deal"

Again, your deal isn’t the only reason I am town.

You are more than free to assume that VP was roleblocked but there’s still a mountain of other shit you’re ignoring.

I get you don’t like my play.

But I am town by mechanics and day play.

So push Andres or Frog as iirc that was your solve

[Something_Smart]

If I were you I would strongly think about firing tonight. Don’t respond if you can or not, I just want you to think about it.

If I am able to shoot tonight I certainly will.

[House]

I've already stated my scumreads.

Correct. Reads also evolve. Waiting until the final flip of whoever gets flipped. I also know your read of me is wrong lmao. You aren’t seriously arguing I am scum here despite arguing the correct PoE all game are you?

Yes, because you're completely ignoring the likelihood of VP being roleblocked when he telegraphed being PR in his last post of d1 and leaning WAY TOO HARD on a result that may not even exist INSTEAD OF YOUR ACTUAL PLAY.

"My Deal"

Again, your deal isn’t the only reason I am town.

You are more than free to assume that VP was roleblocked but there’s still a mountain of other shit you’re ignoring.

I get you don’t like my play.

But I am town by mechanics and day play.

So push Andres or Frog as iirc that was your solve

The more you insist that you're mech clear when you're not mech clear, the more I'll scumread you for it.

Continuing to repeat it doesn't make it any more true m

[MathBlade]

I've already stated my scumreads.

Correct. Reads also evolve. Waiting until the final flip of whoever gets flipped. I also know your read of me is wrong lmao. You aren’t seriously arguing I am scum here despite arguing the correct PoE all game are you?

Yes, because you're completely ignoring the likelihood of VP being roleblocked when he telegraphed being PR in his last post of d1 and leaning WAY TOO HARD on a result that may not even exist INSTEAD OF YOUR ACTUAL PLAY.

"My Deal"

Again, your deal isn’t the only reason I am town.

You are more than free to assume that VP was roleblocked but there’s still a mountain of other shit you’re ignoring.

I get you don’t like my play.

But I am town by mechanics and day play.

So push Andres or Frog as iirc that was your solve

The more you insist that you're mech clear when you're not mech clear, the more I'll scumread you for it.

Continuing to repeat it doesn't make it any more true m

The more you deny it and spend time fruitlessly disagreeing with me makes you annoying and anti town.

You’re more than welcome to assume I am not mech clear incorrectly

The fact remains the rest of the game does not see it that way except scum (if you’re town)

So if you’re town you’re better off hunting for the buddy in that PoE.

[House]

The more you deny it and spend time fruitlessly disagreeing with me makes you annoying and anti town.

It's cute how you say this like you expect it to have some effect on me.

[MathBlade]

The more you deny it and spend time fruitlessly disagreeing with me makes you annoying and anti town.

It's cute how you say this like you expect it to have some effect on me.

I can hope you won’t be an antitown person after bluntly explaining to you the reality of the situation but I can’t stop you from spamming.

[House]

Nobody can stop me from spamming.

[Frogsterking]

I totally expected to just be viewed as a LHF this game and get PoE’d into the sun, so it’s curious to me why that reversed on me the moment I claimed I guess

That's funny because now you're deciding the outcome of the entire game. There are a lot of pages but the only ones likely to be useful are the ones which help you sort within the VTs. Scum don't have multitasking so executing correctly today might be a town win. I think it's andres and Datisi because they're more aggro about the validity of the pr claims, andres was scummy D3, and FMPOV Datisi is the only one left if I assume House and Ari are outside their scum range. And of course, they're both also voting me.

[Frogsterking]

if I had to vote now I'd vote for Frogster over Andres but I think I'm ok with either one tbh.

LOL. WHO IS THE TOWNIE IN THE VTS THAT LEGIT THINKS I HAVE A SCUM PARTNER WHO IS BUSSING INTO AUTO LOSS RIGHT NOW.

[Aristeia]

why is it auto-loss to bus here?

[Frogsterking]

@Ari

I'm going to try to be nice about this and clear in the explanation of why bussing is auto loss for the scum team. I'm sorry about my quickhammering, I think I did it because of impulsivity, and I've implemented a few different habits to make myself calmer while I play so I don't quickhammer again.

Town has one ML right now to test in the four weakest VT claims (you, me, andres, datisi) because two of us are almost certainly lying. We can hunt outside of those four, but the chances are marginal. Town needs to be either drastically overestimating our ability to read House, the setup review team has decided to nerf the power of town in Mini Normals, or something unlikely happened between VP and Math. If any of these unlikely events has occurred, unless another unlikely event occurs, town is going to lose, because without an incredibly compelling reason or a lot of drugs or both, the elimination votes and night action targets are going to be used on the four of us.

Scum don't have multitasking and town have a shooter and an investigative, either one of which successfully completing a night action can reduce down the pool of weaker VT claims by one

without

costing town an ML.

For example, the only scenarios where scum win are if scum is outside of the weaker VT claims for whatever bizarre reason, or in a game which proceeds

exactly

in this way:

~

Right now (D3) there are 6 town - 2 scum and we have four weakest VT claims to test. We miss scum today because we use the ML on a real VT (me!) and at night the scum team NK our investigative and role block the vig. Now scum team can win in 2 ways...

...tomorrow (D4) there are 4 town - 2 scum alive, and now they are hiding within you, Datisi, or andres. Town mislims the real VT within the remaining 3 claims (for example, you) then scum NK and win because it's 2 town - 2 scum alive.
OR
...tomorrow (D4) there are 4 town - 2 scum and now they are hiding within you, Datisi, or andres. Town lims a scum within the remaining 3 claims (for example, andres) then scum NK and it goes to D5. On D5 there are 3 town - 1 scum, and 2 remaining weaker VT claims. Math derphammers the real VT claim (for example, you), then the scum team NK and win because it's 1 town - 1 scum alive.

~

This line of play is the

ONLY

way scum team can win if they are within you, me, andres and Datisi.

BOTH

survive today.



For example, let's examine how things play out instead if scum team opt for a bus because they agree they are tactical geniuses. Let's use your FoS within the VT; andres and I, as the scum team in this example:

~

Today (D3) there are the four claims to test within you, me, andres and Datisi. There are 6 town - 2 scum so Town has one ML. andres busses me and nightkills the investigator.

Now pay attention to this next part:

now that andres has bussed, there are

3

weaker VT claims for town to test because I am dead. andres can't role block the vig because andres doesn't have multitasking and andres is killing the investigator. So on N3, the vig decides to shoot one of the remaining weaker VT claims (for example Datisi.) In this example the vig shot gets to go through and the bussing scum, andres, is relying on the vig to miss the shot or it's instantly game over, AND once the vig misses the number of weaker VT claims to test is reduced from

3

to

2

.

Now if the scum team has taken this line of play, and the bussing scum has been able to survive N3, then tomorrow (D4) there are 4 town - 1 scum, and the last scum who bussed is hiding within

2

of the weaker VT claims, who in this example are you and andres. andres is a tactical genius so his bus convinces town to mislim the other weak VT claim, who in this example is you. Great. andres NKs the vig, and now enters limlo on D5 as the final weak VT claim, where he will be quickhammered by House and Math for a town win.

~

Now look at the state of the game, including the vote count, and your stated FoS. The scum team is 2 of andres, you, Datisi, and I unless you're going to pursue a marginal path otherwise, which is completely within your power to do so. However,

IF

scum team is within the 4 weaker VT claims,

SCUM TEAM CAN EXPECT TO LOSE IF THEY BUS.

A scum team among those four

MIGHT

win if a real weaker VT claim is eliminated today (much more swing the execution onto any of the other players). Seeing as you and I are each part of those four, and

BOTH

of the other two are currently voting me, in a day where

BOTH

must survive to have a chance to win, do you not find it a little strange that you

also

prefer to join my wagon?

[Datisi]

But I am town by mechanics and day play.

your mechanical claim is completely unconformable and your dayplay got a strong town player quickhammered, despite them allegedly not even being in your poe.

stop pretending you're confirmed town. the vp visit is the only thing you have going for you, and at some point it's not gonna be enough.

[Frogsterking]

Okay - I’m a town

even nights

Gunsmith. I Checked Something Smart last night and he did have a gun in flavor

Wow 2941 isn't even technically accurate because of how prs are balanced on here, they don't always work every night.


RAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Frogsterking]

Okay - I’m a town

even nights

Gunsmith. I Checked Something Smart last night and he did have a gun in flavor

Wow 2941 isn't even technically accurate because of how prs are balanced on here, they don't always work every night.


RAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Datisi]

it's kind of annoying that the person who cannot read me for shit is the vig but it is what it is, not sure yet if i wanna spend time arguing there as i'm not sure i can solve this game if math isn't scum

frogster, who do you wanna kill today as opposed to writing out essays of mafia theory?

[Aristeia]

if I had to vote now I'd vote for Frogster over Andres but I think I'm ok with either one tbh.

LOL. WHO IS THE TOWNIE IN THE VTS THAT LEGIT THINKS I HAVE A SCUM PARTNER WHO IS BUSSING INTO AUTO LOSS RIGHT NOW.

I should rephrase.

It seems strange to me that if you are town you would be emotional about the idea that I think Andres!scum is bussing you rather than the idea you will get eliminated before Andres who you have declared to be obv!scum.

If we were to flip you here - and you were to flip town, then whether Andres bussed you is somewhat moot as you would be a flipped townie; it'd make more sense if you were annoyed that you were being eliminated over Andres at all to begin with if your worldview is that you are town and Andres is obv!scum.

Your theory about bussing also seems to be taking for granted the existence of a scum!blocker and the fact that IV/Math/SS are all mech-cleared - neither of these facts is very obvious to me and it feels a bit like TMI on your part.

[Aristeia]

You see that I prefer you to Andres, you see Mathblade pushing me to vote for you and saying he wants to kill you as well, so I don't see why your thoughts would be to try to get me to think Andres isn't bussing you instead of trying to make me think you are town and Andres is scum and the second scum is Datisi.

[Aristeia]

Whether the scum have a roleblocker is a moot point - if the scum are within the 5 VT claims and they do not have a roleblocker - they would necesarily have to become the most townread of the five in order to survive the gauntlet of elim -> vig -> elim -> elim.

I don't see why bussing your partner at this stage for towncred is not a valid option especially if the scum team does not have a roleblocker.

[Aristeia]

Datisi can you tell me you are town again?