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[House]

Up!

[Aristeia]

if everyone is certain that IV is town I don't see why we can't just have IV post final thoughts and then no-lim to get confirmation than IV is town.

[House]

Whatever works.

[Aristeia]

I’ll state the obvious - a No Execution here is not sensible. Due to the mechanical claims that we have, it doesn’t make sense to No Vote only to lose the remaining claimed PR left. We need IV’s voice to help guide our thinking.

This line feels nonsensical to me because IV has not helped to guide our thinking at all this game.

[House]

I'm down for whatever.

[Aristeia]

I don't think this game is balanced if SS/Mathblade/VPB are our only TPRs.

But I also wouldn't bet a million dollars that the Normal Review Group to not pass a setup with One Shot Novice Vig + Weak Disloyal Fruit Vendor + Named Townie Backup Joke as a normal setup.

[House]

Thing is... I never scumread Mathblade.

I was just gambiting a push on him in the hopes of getting to final 3 with him and instavoting whoever else was left in the game and telling him about the ploy.

The problem is, I do not trust him to believe me because he thinks I can be scum even with the things I've done in this game being nonsensical for scum to do.

I can't work with that.

[Aristeia]

if everyone is certain that IV is town I don't see why we can't just have IV post final thoughts and then no-lim to get confirmation than IV is town.

to clarify.

if IV's contribution to this game is immensely important and we should sheep IV or w/e.

We can simply discuss with IV while he is still alive - reach a consensus with IV, then no lim to

confirm that IV is town

If IV gets shot at night, we can simply follow the prior consensus we reached with IV; it is functionally equivalent to just listening to IV today and voting out a player that he wants without the risk of being blindsided by some NRG balance shenanigans.

[House]

also i gotta say i don't think i'm seeing scum!math as much as i was in early day 3 so idk

the jury is still out, i just felt like pointing this out

LOL

VOTE: Datisi

House I think Math is town he just has terrible reads.

I have raisins for this push.

Keep the faith.

I would say the same to Math, but he's too 1-Dimensional.

Proof.

[MathBlade]

Okay first:

We’re not no limming simply based on Andres and Ari’s comments.

I townread IV, IV townreads me.

There’s no way IV is scum there’s no reason to prove it.

I never vote IV and town shouldn’t either.

If you have a case for me or IV scum now is the time to say it or forever hold your peace.

[MathBlade]

if everyone is certain that IV is town I don't see why we can't just have IV post final thoughts and then no-lim to get confirmation than IV is town.

to clarify.

if IV's contribution to this game is immensely important and we should sheep IV or w/e.

We can simply discuss with IV while he is still alive - reach a consensus with IV, then no lim to

confirm that IV is town

If IV gets shot at night, we can simply follow the prior consensus we reached with IV; it is functionally equivalent to just listening to IV today and voting out a player that he wants without the risk of being blindsided by some NRG balance shenanigans.

if everyone is certain that IV is town I don't see why we can't just have IV post final thoughts and then no-lim to get confirmation than IV is town.

Whatever works.

This is bad mechanics. At a minimum IV and I should use this time to sync up.

There’s two conf town here there’s no way we elim and go to one and same issue.

Then if Ari is scum that tips her hand she wants to push IV not in the PoE that’s been accurate since D2. I should be policy elimming Ari for this but considering we have a town self hammerer who never wanted to case and a town player who voted an inno because lolz rushing this isn’t the best idea.

[Aristeia]

I am not proposing to rush it

[MathBlade]

I think I want everyone especially Ari to put their top team of two down, no explanations. This helped me catch the exact scum team in an alt game and who knows it might work here.

[Aristeia]

I am saying if we come to a conclusion on who to eliminate today.

There is no real difference between 4 of us voting that person today, and no-limming, making sure IV is town, and then 3 people voting that person tommorrow.

I do not trust the balance in this game because I feel we are already outside where this game would be balanced even if all claims were true.

[MathBlade]

I still have some wordy word wall stuff to do but I just finished a long ass day at work so gonna take it slow since we have time and IV is still here.

[Aristeia]

I think I want everyone especially Ari to put their top team of two down, no explanations. This helped me catch the exact scum team in an alt game and who knows it might work here.

for me it is Datisi/Andres

[House]

I think I want everyone especially Ari to put their top team of two down, no explanations. This helped me catch the exact scum team in an alt game and who knows it might work here.

for me it is Datisi/Andres

That is weird.

iv & Mathblade. Town is weak as hell if iv is scum.

[MathBlade]

I am saying if we come to a conclusion on who to eliminate today.

There is no real difference between 4 of us voting that person today, and no-limming, making sure IV is town, and then 3 people voting that person tommorrow.

I do not trust the balance in this game because I feel we are already outside where this game would be balanced even if all claims were true.

And I don’t think that’s the case.
I think scum claimed VT like I goaded them to instead of their actual role like doctor or roleblocker.

This setup I feel is similar to an idea I discussed a long time ago with I think Cabd, I don’t remember who it was someone that was designed around having to listen to people rather than concrete breakable normal setups.

I am the Miller
SS is the PR but if forced to claim Vig on D2 can stop the scum kill on N2. It takes care of the protective.
What would balance this is an even night doctor.

It gives scum some defense against the vig and gunsmith but exposed to what is a one shot cop for all intents and purposes.

[MathBlade]

I think I want everyone especially Ari to put their top team of two down, no explanations. This helped me catch the exact scum team in an alt game and who knows it might work here.

for me it is Datisi/Andres

That is weird.

iv & Mathblade. Town is weak as hell if iv is scum.

Top two means who is scum House.

I think Ari has seen what I am asking

[Aristeia]

And I don’t think that’s the case.

I don't believe it's the case either - I just don't see the downside in being safe

[House]

I think I want everyone especially Ari to put their top team of two down, no explanations. This helped me catch the exact scum team in an alt game and who knows it might work here.

for me it is Datisi/Andres

That is weird.

iv & Mathblade. Town is weak as hell if iv is scum.

Top two means who is scum House.

I think Ari has seen what I am asking

Oh. That makes more sense.

Dats & Andres.

[MathBlade]

Towards that end, I think scum would either be split or on the tail end of that IV push unless a buddy was being pushed or some other reason.

Especially if they want to kill me and bus a buddy and leave room for a fake inno from IV.

[MathBlade]

I will have to look at the IV/SS wagon push that happened kinda simultaneously iirc.

[MathBlade]

I’m sorry about yesterday - I really am. I’m sad that Frogsterking not only replaced out, but went out in such a way. I don’t fault Nero Cain for self-hammering, since they were pushed to the extreme and I wouldn’t have wanted to spend too much time and effort trying to turn around the wagon on me at that stage.

I’ll state the obvious - a No Execution here is not sensible. Due to the mechanical claims that we have, it doesn’t make sense to No Vote only to lose the remaining claimed PR left. We need IV’s voice to help guide our thinking. I also don’t want to think too hard about Mathblade being Scum. Yeah sure, at times during the game I have wanted to reconsider my stance on this. But I can’t at this point in time go against what I really do think is a strong probability that they’re cleared, and lose due to extreme paranoia.

That leaves House / Aristeia / Datisi. If you wanted to build a Team from those three, I suppose a Datisi + Aristeia Team is more likely than a House + Datisi or House + Aristeia Team. But I gotta be honest, I’m annoyed at that solve. That means what, Aristeia and Datisi have been openly buddying each other as Scum practically the entire game, and refusing to strongly consider each other? It didn’t read like that to me when I first read through their posts. Datisi has also had me as Town a large majority of the game (despite us both being firmly in the POE). That would have had to have been White Knighting, which maybe? But it wasn’t necessary. Datisi could have stayed away from making any definitive statements about my alignment, and they certainly didn’t have to call the fight between Frogsterking and I TvT (leaving themselves open to then getting pushed). Now, I perceived yesterday that openly questioning the Gunsmith was a silly strategy from Scum. Today? I would imagine it feels necessary to have to try and open that door. So I’m not reading Aristeia’s comments in that direction in a positive light. That’s the first slot I will do a deep dive on.

This is the third player saying Datisi
*hmmmmm* thinking cap

[MathBlade]

I really really vibe with what Andres is saying today. Can you town more please Andres?