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[House]

There's literally nothing to be gained by pocketing me.

I'm hardly a driving force in this game.

The very idea is laughable.

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13055898

I think it can work pretty well.

[Aristeia]

uh at 2-4 you only need to pocket one townie and you won't be able to be elimmed unless you are bussed so that's not really true?

If I am scum here I think I probably do try to pocket town!you as you are relatively unsuspected and thus un-elimmable and try to win against whichever other townie is in the POE.

[House]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13055898

I think it can work pretty well.

Idk who that's to, but I hope it wasn't for my benefit because a link with no context doesn't tell me anything.

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13055898

I think it can work pretty well.

Idk who that's to, but I hope it wasn't for my benefit because a link with no context doesn't tell me anything.

It’s where I used the heatmap to name scum team exactly in a dance game. Granted heat maps are way easier in pairs games.

[Aristeia]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13055898

I think it can work pretty well.

That's just one game,

If I say it's Datisi/Andres

Andres says it's Datisi/Ari

Datisi says it's ??? I don't actually remember what Datisi said, I think he had Ari/Andres at 7 and now at a 3?

I don't see how that gives you any data as all three of us are townreading House and pointing at the other two; so how would I be mech-scum atp if my position is exactly the same as the other two?

[Aristeia]

The only difference between me/datisi/andres that I can see is that House happens to townread me out of the three players; so if anything your system is punishing me for being townread by House?

[House]

uh at 2-4 you only need to pocket one townie and you won't be able to be elimmed unless you are bussed so that's not really true?

If I am scum here I think I probably do try to pocket town!you as you are relatively unsuspected and thus un-elimmable and try to win against whichever other townie is in the POE.

I mean, that's primarily true because of you, though.

Math has been busting his ass trying to kill me, and you kinda made that a difficult proposition at best.

You had no idea how I'd react to your hard defense. I could have easily called it white knighting if I was as superficial as Mathblade.

[MathBlade]

uh at 2-4 you only need to pocket one townie and you won't be able to be elimmed unless you are bussed so that's not really true?

If I am scum here I think I probably do try to pocket town!you as you are relatively unsuspected and thus un-elimmable and try to win against whichever other townie is in the POE.

I think you do try to pocket me while saying dumb mechanical things to get what you want.

Andres was correct in there’s no world here we don’t elim. I don’t like you suggesting we should.

[MathBlade]

uh at 2-4 you only need to pocket one townie and you won't be able to be elimmed unless you are bussed so that's not really true?

If I am scum here I think I probably do try to pocket town!you as you are relatively unsuspected and thus un-elimmable and try to win against whichever other townie is in the POE.

I mean, that's primarily true because of you, though.

Math has been busting his ass trying to kill me, and you kinda made that a difficult proposition at best.

You had no idea how I'd react to your hard defense. I could have easily called it white knighting if I was as superficial as Mathblade.

I actually haven’t. I have been trying to sort you and you’ve been doing that protown lying bullshit which is very difficult to differentiate from scum lying bullshit for me.

[Aristeia]

uh at 2-4 you only need to pocket one townie and you won't be able to be elimmed unless you are bussed so that's not really true?

If I am scum here I think I probably do try to pocket town!you as you are relatively unsuspected and thus un-elimmable and try to win against whichever other townie is in the POE.

I think you do try to pocket me while saying dumb mechanical things to get what you want.

Andres was correct in there’s no world here we don’t elim. I don’t like you suggesting we should.

What's my scum motivation in suggesting no elim?

[House]

uh at 2-4 you only need to pocket one townie and you won't be able to be elimmed unless you are bussed so that's not really true?

If I am scum here I think I probably do try to pocket town!you as you are relatively unsuspected and thus un-elimmable and try to win against whichever other townie is in the POE.

I mean, that's primarily true because of you, though.

Math has been busting his ass trying to kill me, and you kinda made that a difficult proposition at best.

You had no idea how I'd react to your hard defense. I could have easily called it white knighting if I was as superficial as Mathblade.

I actually haven’t. I have been trying to sort you and you’ve been doing that protown lying bullshit which is very difficult to differentiate from scum lying bullshit for me.

That's because you only care about actions, not motivations.

[MathBlade]

The only difference between me/datisi/andres that I can see is that House happens to townread me out of the three players; so if anything your system is punishing me for being townread by House?

Main problem is both Datisi and Andres have three people suspect them

That means at least one scum suspects both.

[MathBlade]

uh at 2-4 you only need to pocket one townie and you won't be able to be elimmed unless you are bussed so that's not really true?

If I am scum here I think I probably do try to pocket town!you as you are relatively unsuspected and thus un-elimmable and try to win against whichever other townie is in the POE.

I mean, that's primarily true because of you, though.

Math has been busting his ass trying to kill me, and you kinda made that a difficult proposition at best.

You had no idea how I'd react to your hard defense. I could have easily called it white knighting if I was as superficial as Mathblade.

I actually haven’t. I have been trying to sort you and you’ve been doing that protown lying bullshit which is very difficult to differentiate from scum lying bullshit for me.

That's because you only care about actions, not motivations.

Agree to disagree and move on

[Aristeia]

I don't particularly care at this point about no elim. I've been fairly transparent in why I think it's a good choice here.

If we lose to some randomness like IV-scum I want you to remember that I gave us a way to avoid it but you chose to ignore me out of your own hubris rather than blame the NRG for approving an unbalanced setup.

[MathBlade]

uh at 2-4 you only need to pocket one townie and you won't be able to be elimmed unless you are bussed so that's not really true?

If I am scum here I think I probably do try to pocket town!you as you are relatively unsuspected and thus un-elimmable and try to win against whichever other townie is in the POE.

I think you do try to pocket me while saying dumb mechanical things to get what you want.

Andres was correct in there’s no world here we don’t elim. I don’t like you suggesting we should.

What's my scum motivation in suggesting no elim?

I can think of two.

One is to kill me over IV who suspects you more and then when IV gets an inno on you or a buddy coast
Another is to kill IV then if we get scum then kill me so final elim isn’t town driven

[House]

Like, you still can't tell me why I, as scum, would fake claim the one role in the game that could simply kill me instead of cc me and battle it out in day play.

It's literally suicide as scum.

[Aristeia]

The only difference between me/datisi/andres that I can see is that House happens to townread me out of the three players; so if anything your system is punishing me for being townread by House?

Main problem is both Datisi and Andres have three people suspect them

That means at least one scum suspects both.

That third person is House. Your system is literally just punishing me for being townread by House.

[MathBlade]

I don't particularly care at this point about no elim. I've been fairly transparent in why I think it's a good choice here.

If we lose to some randomness like IV-scum I want you to remember that I gave us a way to avoid it but you chose to ignore me out of your own hubris rather than blame the NRG for approving an unbalanced setup.

If IV is scum this game this is an unbalanced setup but I still agree that this no elim is the right call even without it.

There shouldn’t be a no elim with one conf town let alone 1.5-2

[MathBlade]

Like, you still can't tell me why I, as scum, would fake claim the one role in the game that could simply kill me instead of cc me and battle it out in day play.

It's literally suicide as scum.

Will you please shut up? You’re not in my PoE today and not unless whoever we flip flips scum and there is still a game.

[House]

uh at 2-4 you only need to pocket one townie and you won't be able to be elimmed unless you are bussed so that's not really true?

If I am scum here I think I probably do try to pocket town!you as you are relatively unsuspected and thus un-elimmable and try to win against whichever other townie is in the POE.

I think you do try to pocket me while saying dumb mechanical things to get what you want.

Andres was correct in there’s no world here we don’t elim. I don’t like you suggesting we should.

What's my scum motivation in suggesting no elim?

I can think of two.

One is to kill me over IV who suspects you more and then when IV gets an inno on you or a buddy coast
Another is to kill IV then if we get scum then kill me so final elim isn’t town driven

What horseshit.

That's no world you die over an even night gunsmith ON AN EVEN NIGHT.

[Aristeia]

I can think of two.

One is to kill me over IV who suspects you more and then when IV gets an inno on you or a buddy coast
Another is to kill IV then if we get scum then kill me so final elim isn’t town driven

We would agree on the solve prior to no-lim, your voice would not be silenced.

[MathBlade]

The only difference between me/datisi/andres that I can see is that House happens to townread me out of the three players; so if anything your system is punishing me for being townread by House?

Main problem is both Datisi and Andres have three people suspect them

That means at least one scum suspects both.

That third person is House. Your system is literally just punishing me for being townread by House.

Weird way to think about it, but I mean I guess?

I know a scum is scumreading Dats and a scum is scumreading Andres.

They aren’t hard bussing each other and it doesn’t match the heat signatures.

[House]

Will you please shut up?

Absolutely not.

You've pissed me off this entire fucking game, so I'm glad that you're starting to feel it too.

[Aristeia]

The only difference between me/datisi/andres that I can see is that House happens to townread me out of the three players; so if anything your system is punishing me for being townread by House?

Main problem is both Datisi and Andres have three people suspect them

That means at least one scum suspects both.

That third person is House. Your system is literally just punishing me for being townread by House.

Weird way to think about it, but I mean I guess?

I know a scum is scumreading Dats and a scum is scumreading Andres.

They aren’t hard bussing each other and it doesn’t match the heat signatures.

I mean it's literally what your system is telling you.

Me/Datisi/Andres all townread house and scumread each other.

The reads are exactly symmetrical.

The reason you have a 3-2-3 is because House townreads me out of the three players in the mini-poe.

So you are literally saying I am mech-scum because House happens to townread me.