No, it doesn't.In post 4207, Datisi wrote:then please explain. i see that you posted 4022, but "i relate to the mindset" doesn't explicitly mean you were townreading him for it.In post 4018, House wrote:Nope.In post 3995, Datisi wrote:house, have you ever explained *why* you were townreading iv so strongly on day 1?
This is a straight up lie.In post 4215, Datisi wrote:and before i'm hit with "why would house fakeclaim mason to stop the wagon on iv" -- he wasn't stopping the wagon on iv. this was called out at the time, but iv had just gotten a second vote, and a few people thought (i think skitter alongside me?) that the claim was very premature and that iv wasn't in that much danger. *especially* considering you had the loud motherfuckers like me and rtp calling for lapla's head.
Yeah, that's because that's a vast universe of difference between lying about being a Mason and lying about being a vigilante.In post 4218, Datisi wrote:(and also, i'm not sure i buy the "i didn't want to mislead town further, that's why i retracted my claim" because house clearly did not shy away from lying later in the game, and retracting the claim gives him more of an excuse for why the masons are not dying -- but this isn't a point that i can argue well enough, so.)
In post 4224, Datisi wrote:and i already explained that, attention-grabbing and towncred-grabbing. if the lapla wagon had gone through the way it was supposed to go through, house would've looked Bad. this way, he can say how he saved iv from the certain death that he was faced with (2 votes), and how the lapla wagon wouldn't have gone through without him.
He softed the mason claim before RTP even pushed Laplacian though?In post 567, House wrote:House
innocentvillager
VP Baltar
Frogsterking
Aristeia
Datisi
Laplacian
OutWorldER
Reformed Toxic Player
Something_Smart
Andresvmb
skitter30
Almost50
I would be surprised if any in the dark green flipped scum.
Almost red flip = 1-2 in the pink & 0-1 in yellow/light green
Almost green flip = 2 in the pink, 1 in yellow/light green
This type of phrasing is extremely distasteful please do not say that about anyone - it is just a game.In post 4227, House wrote:Math lacks the balls to explain why I'd fakeclaim vig on d2 as scum. Perhaps you'd care to give it a go?
nope. he was one two (2) votes. two. besides frogs, outworld was voting him, who was basically a non-presence. and, at the time where lapla was read much worse than iv was.In post 4226, House wrote:This is a straight up lie.In post 4215, Datisi wrote:and before i'm hit with "why would house fakeclaim mason to stop the wagon on iv" -- he wasn't stopping the wagon on iv. this was called out at the time, but iv had just gotten a second vote, and a few people thought (i think skitter alongside me?) that the claim was very premature and that iv wasn't in that much danger. *especially* considering you had the loud motherfuckers like me and rtp calling for lapla's head.
iv's wagon was gaining steam as a counterwagon to Laplacian, and even frog, the one driving it, admitted that he wasn't going to let up on it.
nobody at this table is stupid enough to go "hurr durr house claimed vig?? must be scum!!!".In post 4227, House wrote:Yeah, that's because that's a vast universe of difference between lying about being a Mason and lying about being a vigilante.In post 4218, Datisi wrote:(and also, i'm not sure i buy the "i didn't want to mislead town further, that's why i retracted my claim" because house clearly did not shy away from lying later in the game, and retracting the claim gives him more of an excuse for why the masons are not dying -- but this isn't a point that i can argue well enough, so.)
Math lacks the balls to explain why I'd fakeclaim vig on d2 as scum. Perhaps you'd care to give it a go?
I don't think you can say that House both wanted IV to be misyeeted for ??? reasons while also wanting to preserve IV alive so that a green IV flip doesn't make him look bad.In post 4224, Datisi wrote:iv was still a very much possible misyeet. i think they were better off banking on the fact that nobody takes the "why isn't a mason dead?" too far.
In post 1032, Frogsterking wrote:I think it was okay, I wasn't going to let the case go on this one.In post 1030, Datisi wrote:house, why the fuck would you out after one vote, what the fuck
In post 1034, Datisi wrote:i was gonna tell you to let it go because laplacian is 100% flipping first
And I'm not stupid enough to claim a role that gets me killed outright with no benefit to my team as scum.In post 4230, Datisi wrote:nobody at this table is stupid enough to go "hurr durr house claimed vig?? must be scum!!!".
well good thing that's not what i'm saying! i'm saying that he both retracted the claim because that opened the door for iv to potentially get suspected again, AND he didn't want to *say* that iv is scum due to them both surviving the night because that would leave him in an awkward position tomorrow where he'd have to do a weird backtrack! stop twisting my words!!In post 4231, Aristeia wrote:I don't think you can say that House both wanted IV to be misyeeted for ??? reasons while also wanting to preserve IV alive so that a green IV flip doesn't make him look bad.In post 4224, Datisi wrote:iv was still a very much possible misyeet. i think they were better off banking on the fact that nobody takes the "why isn't a mason dead?" too far.
The other thing you said about him setting up a trajectory to push frogger seems ?? as he was one of the few people who did not push frogger yesterday - that was mostly me/mathblade/you/andres.
the real vigilante is not stupid enough to see you as scum just because you fakeclaimed and would probably realize you're doing so in order to draw the kill; scum isn't gonna shoot themselves.In post 4236, House wrote:Lying about being a vigilante made me a target to the real vig, true, but it also made me a target to scum.
What dats is conveniently leaving out of that iv had already been a wagon of 4 once and still had plenty of suspicion on him and Fire was back to pushing it to counter Lapla.In post 4235, Aristeia wrote:I just find the explanation that house!town had a different view of the game state to be simpler, cleaner and more likely than house!scum decided to make up an imaginary crisis to fakeclaim mason to get towncred to shove his partner into a meatgrinder? Have you read his scum!games? I don't really see him making similar type of plays as mafia.
In post 4237, Datisi wrote:well good thing that's not what i'm saying! i'm saying that he both retracted the claim because that opened the door for iv to potentially get suspected again, AND he didn't want to *say* that iv is scum due to them both surviving the night because that would leave him in an awkward position tomorrow where he'd have to do a weird backtrack! stop twisting my words!!
and he ended up not needing to because we did it for him?
first of all, who is fireIn post 4240, House wrote:What dats is conveniently leaving out of that iv had already been a wagon of 4 once and still had plenty of suspicion on him and Fire was back to pushing it to counter Lapla.In post 4235, Aristeia wrote:I just find the explanation that house!town had a different view of the game state to be simpler, cleaner and more likely than house!scum decided to make up an imaginary crisis to fakeclaim mason to get towncred to shove his partner into a meatgrinder? Have you read his scum!games? I don't really see him making similar type of plays as mafia.
Fuck it. Let's do this.In post 4239, Datisi wrote:the real vigilante is not stupid enough to see you as scum just because you fakeclaimed and would probably realize you're doing so in order to draw the kill; scum isn't gonna shoot themselves.In post 4236, House wrote:Lying about being a vigilante made me a target to the real vig, true, but it also made me a target to scum.
Stop being a pedant. I'm obviously referring to frog.In post 4243, Datisi wrote:first of all, who is fireIn post 4240, House wrote:What dats is conveniently leaving out of that iv had already been a wagon of 4 once and still had plenty of suspicion on him and Fire was back to pushing it to counter Lapla.In post 4235, Aristeia wrote:I just find the explanation that house!town had a different view of the game state to be simpler, cleaner and more likely than house!scum decided to make up an imaginary crisis to fakeclaim mason to get towncred to shove his partner into a meatgrinder? Have you read his scum!games? I don't really see him making similar type of plays as mafia.
second, he was a wagon of 4 with my and ari's votes. i wasn't budging from lapla anymore that day.
i have not seen mason fakeclaims in this caliber, ever. sure.In post 4242, Aristeia wrote:Like how many mason fake claims have you seen anyway? How often does it happen that the next day when the masons un-claim they decide to start pointing fingers at each other for surviving the night?
counterquestion: who am i scum with?In post 4244, House wrote:Who do you think wins this, and who do you think never gets another vote when you flip red?
In post 125, catboi wrote:
In post 375, catboi wrote:
In post 617, catboi wrote:
You're scum with Andres.In post 4247, Datisi wrote:counterquestion: who am i scum with?In post 4244, House wrote:Who do you think wins this, and who do you think never gets another vote when you flip red?
if i'm scum with andres, my wincon is to shut the fuck up and buddy math into voting ari.
if i'm scum with ari, my wincon is to shut the fuck up and let ari work her magic with you.
what am i doing here?
You're scum with Andres.In post 4247, Datisi wrote:counterquestion: who am i scum with?In post 4244, House wrote:Who do you think wins this, and who do you think never gets another vote when you flip red?
if i'm scum with andres, my wincon is to shut the fuck up and buddy math into voting ari.
if i'm scum with ari, my wincon is to shut the fuck up and let ari work her magic with you.
what am i doing here?
