Mizzytastic's Large Normal Review, February 2022

[Mizzytastic]

Yeah, but its roaming, which is why there are valid targets to run out of, however unlikely.

[Mizzytastic]

I guess the variant you want would be this

Town 2-Shot Vigilante, Compulsive Roaming Fruit Vendor

You are a

Town 2-Shot Vigilante, Compulsive Roaming Fruit Vendor

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Twice during the game you may visit a player at night to shoot them. Assuming no interference, they will die.

If you don't shoot you

must

visit a player you have never previously visited with this ability to give them fruit. Assuming no interference, they will be informed "You have received fruit." at the end of the night. You can still shoot people you have given fruit to.

If you fail to submit a night action you will visit the first valid target from randomised list of players below and give them fruit.

Spoiler: Randomised List of Players

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You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm. In addition, please confirm the randomised list of players for your compulsive modifier.

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[Isis]

I don't know how compulsivity on multiple roles is supposed to work exactly, but this one might be nonnormal. Usually compulsive fruit vendor on a mafia precludes the mafia kill, so I think multiple town roles is probably supposed to work the same way.

I just think it seems nonneutral to resolve no-submission towards a certain action on the compulsive-vig + compulsive fruit vendor. I think a lack of submission should flip a coin for which role is used and also flip a coin for the target, rather than picking one role to have primacy over the other as a moderator.

[Mizzytastic]

The intent was to give the follower a result on nights the vig doesn't shoot. I intentionally wasn't neutral to reduce swing on the chance a night action wasn't submitted, but I could see how there might not be a normal resolution to this idea.

Does it change the balance enough to need further changes if it's just a 2-shot vig? Maybe ungating the follower? The fruit vendor aspect was intended to be slightly +mafia but I'm not sure how much of an effect it actually has

[Mizzytastic]

Maybe give the vig a Finder ability for a traditionally scummy role the mafia doesn't have? An ability they'll want to use on the nights they don't shoot that is actually zero utility, or slightly negative utility by the implication of that role existing?

[Isis]

All investigative roles are minimally useful on the ascetic actually

[Isis]

What if you just do a regular 2 shot vig and make the 4shot follower a 4shot combined gunsmith follower?

[Mizzytastic]

That would work, thanks

[Mizzytastic]

Town 2-Shot Vigilante

You are a

Town 2-Shot Vigilante

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Twice during the game you may visit a player at night to shoot them. Assuming no interference, they will die.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Mafia 4-Shot Combined Follower Gunsmith

You are a

Mafia 4-Shot Combined Follower Gunsmith

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbor

,

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Four times during the game you may visit a player at night to learn what they did that night and whether they have a gun. Assuming no interference you will be informed "PLAYERNAME performed an action of TYPE(S).", "PLAYERNAME performed no action.", or "You got no result from following PLAYERNAME." at the end of the night. The types of action for a normal game are:

Spoiler: Action Types

• Commute - Commuter
  
• Blocking - Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Alien
  
• Jailkeep - Jailkeeper
  
• Protection - Doctor, Bodyguard, Babysitter (when it protects)
  
• Miscellaneous - Neighborizer, Friendly Neighbor, Hider, Fruit Vendor, Visitor, Mailman, Checker
  
• Kill - Mafia factional kill, SK factional kill, Strongman, Vigilante, Babysitter (when it kills)
  
• Role Investigation - Cop, Gunsmith, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Neapolitan, Psychologist, Detective, Traffic Analyst, PT Cop, Finder
  
• Action Investigation - Tracker, Watcher, Voyeur, Follower, Motion Detector, Role Watcher

You will also be informed "PLAYERNAME has a gun.", "PLAYERNAME does not have a gun", or "You got no result from gunsmith investigating PLAYERNAME." Roles with a gun are

Spoiler: Roles with guns

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, PT Cops, Vengefuls, Detectives, Neapolitans, Backups of roles with guns and Jacks of All Trades that have any of these listed powers.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family visits a player, and assuming no interference that player will die. You may not use your combined ability and kill in the same night.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Mafia Informed Neighbour

You are a

Mafia Informed Neighbour

You form a

Mafia

family along with

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Combined Follower Gunsmith

,

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

You are a member of a Neighbourhood. You share a private thread with the other members, which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

You are informed that the traitor is not a member of your

Neighbourhood

, and is

Bulletproof

.

Spoiler: Bulletproof Ability

Killing actions targeting you will be prevented.

You are informed that there is a

Town Psychologist

, but do not know what other roles or modifiers they may or may not have.

Spoiler: Psychologist Ability

Each night you may investigate a player's ability to kill. Assuming no interference you will be informed "PLAYERNAME is capable of killing.", "PLAYERNAME is not capable of killing or has already killed.", or "You got no result from investigating PLAYERNAME." at the end of the night. Players capable of killing are members of the

Mafia

other than

Traitors

,

Serial Killers

and

Vigilantes

who have not yet killed.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

, your Mafia private thread is

here

and your Neighbourhood private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your Mafia private thread.

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

You are a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbor

,

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Combined Follower Gunsmith

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia Goon

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Two times during the game you may abduct a player at night. Assuming no interference that players actions will be blocked and other actions targeting them will be blocked.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family visits a player, and assuming no interference that player will die. You may not abduct and kill in the same night.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Mafia Goon

You are a

Mafia Goon

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Informed Neighbor

,

XXXX

, a

Mafia 4-Shot Combined Follower Gunsmith

and

YYYY

, a

Mafia 2-Shot Alien

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day. There is a

Traitor

in the town who knows your identities and wishes to help you.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family visits a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead or nothing can prevent that from happening, and at least 1 mafia aligned player other than the traitor is alive.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

[Isis]

Looks good

[Mizzytastic]

Anything else?

[implosion]

Should be good - I've put it in signups.