Mini Normal 2262: NbITGBSMoD [game over]

[Nero Cain]

They claimed backup not a pr.

backup becomes the first pr to die... so yes backup is a pr claim

thats for a UB. but he could be a backup to a specific role

[Eyes without a face]

Understandable, but do u have at least some susses you can give us?

I can try. Starting with the SIX replacements (half the players if I exclude myself) it should have 1.5 scums in it at random. Of course there is no such thing as half a player and factoring in the theory I mentioned earlier I am betting there are at least 2 scums in them. But which one?

two appears town to me. Yes, I probably got pocketed if they're scum but I don't see a reason for scum to come in, see what I said, see how people were reacting to it and still decide to go against the tide to defend me instead of either sidelining or joining the parade.

FA is paranoid and as such is a harder read, but I also think leans town here. That was putting herself out in the light if it was a scum act.

Dwlee as I said before had the worst reaction and is doubling down on it too. Acting macho doesn't really cut it. Dwlee is an actor if you know what I mean, but the one thing that their scum game is guaranteed to be is less activity and being a bit too careful. They see a weak spot and they attack it to hide the fact they are not scumhunting elsewhere. You can research their previous games to verify what I am saying here. Town Dwlee is all over the place and would be tackling every slot remorselessly until they are satisfied about their read on said slot.

Nero had the best reaction.. which is.. bad! Nero is also an aggressive player as town, and I can guarantee you him being nice in the main thread is almost a scumtell. I mean I really feel sorry because I like this version of Nero more but facts are facts and I need to put them out there before I leave the game.

Umlaut had yet to post anything meaningful at the time you asked this so I'm going to take a little break to catch up and come back to you about the slot.

As for Stephen I don't know. He never actually commented on it, and appears to be doing his own thing. Is it to hide his true colors or is he living up to the gimmick? I'm leaning the latter, but I would have been more confident if he was a starting slot (because it means the account mwas intended to play the game regardless, although replacements don't get to choose the slot they're replacing so still leaning gimmick over malicious)

Now let me go see what Umlaut had to say and get back tom you about him and the remaining 6 slots

[Frozen Angel]

I know what back up is thank you very much and no it's not a PR claim. His claim is half done and is not verifiable in any way. He literally claimed nothing and he had no reason to even claim there.

It's just another goofy thing hockey did in this game which I found consistent with him being goofy overall

doesn't mean he is a townread of mine, I don't find his claim alarming. but if someone scumreads the slot and is not pushing it just cause of that claim, they are just distancing from the wagon

[Andante]

I know what back up is thank you very much and no it's not a PR claim. His claim is half done and is not verifiable in any way. He literally claimed nothing and he had no reason to even claim there.

It's just another goofy thing hockey did in this game which I found consistent with him being goofy overall

doesn't mean he is a townread of mine, I don't find his claim alarming. but if someone scumreads the slot and is not pushing it just cause of that claim, they are just distancing from the wagon

I SRed Hockey before the claim and after the claim

[Frozen Angel]

I literally am incapable of seeing any world in which Nero is town here.

His posts and stances and how he tried to shade and build up to a vote on my slot is just possible by a mafia mindset.

that's not how town progresses.

He has information about slots

and he tries to position himself in a specific mindset based on it. Its just blatantly clear by the way he reacted to hockey claim and the way he reacted to me calling it out.

[Nero Cain]

Hockey doesn't come off as goofy, WTF is this nonsense?

[Dwlee99]

Eyes still isn't voting me. Please kill

[Dwlee99]

I don't care about whatever is happening with FA/Nero

I sorted both slots town individually, I don't care about this fight.

Eyes is acting scared to actually play the game.

[Nero Cain]

Its just blatantly clear by the way he reacted to hockey claim and the way he reacted to me calling it out.

you can go through my games if you wish but having 2nd thoughts about eliminating a PR is consistent but that's exactly why scum do claim prs so *shrug*

[Frozen Angel]

pedit: well if u would have done this all the time, then idk man, just seems absurd for mafia to start the game like this

saying this about how aggressive stephan started the game saying he an't see mafia being so aggressive and act as their town self like that when they just replace in

I just reread the frozen/eyes stuff, did not get much out of it, but I like the way Frozen is playing, and I dont think the 2 are partners here

Act like he can't see a player aggressive enough for a possible mafia-FA to buss a possible mafia-eye

and then the claim

I call goofy.

I reacted to all three before and more instances of him saying some stuff that technically makes no sense as a stance. I don't find it inhently scummy. I don't town read him for it either. He is a big fat null for me - leaning scum actually but I give him a pass over my strongest suspects because of his consistency in how he plays.

[Nero Cain]

FA calling Hockey goofy makes me think of how scum Jeff was calling Enchant funny in Polish Rap

[Frozen Angel]

Its just blatantly clear by the way he reacted to hockey claim and the way he reacted to me calling it out.

you can go through my games if you wish but having 2nd thoughts about eliminating a PR is consistent but that's exactly why scum do claim prs so *shrug*

I just could see you trying to shade and build up to that omgus from a miles away by trying to act we did the same thing and misrepresentations.

and Its not even about the "theory" you posted. yes it's clear that both scum and town can claim whatever they want. You saying that with your supposedly scumread on the slot when he just claimed back up, not analysing his claim in anyway but saying he should live for few days. it's just an awful stance from a town-nero and I respect your gaming way more than that

[wavemode]

I don't think I've ever seen a backup in a normal game

FWIW I've *been* a backup in a normal game

[Eyes without a face]

OK I skimmed those spoilers as I'm never good at comprehending wallposts especially when they are commenting on previous stuff. I can't even tell if Umlaut already knew what's next and is do0ing the catch up with the intention to get to a certain stance or if he was honest and didn't take a peak. I'll call him null for now.

So..

the worst
Frozen
Stephen
Umlaut
Nero
Dwlee

Now off to the other 6 of which I think Andante, fire and Greeting are showing various shades of green. Hockey though takes the lead spot with the claim which I obviously am buying so wave and scorpious are my main 2 suspects here.

Combining both lists

Hockey
the worst
Frozen-Andante-Greeting
fire
Stephen
Umlaut
scorpious
wave
Nero
Dwlee


Disclaimer: I have not tried to double/treble ISO anyone against anyone else, meaning that these are separate reads on single slots and not necessarily connected with each other. I think I'll ISO the living suspects against the flipped ones (if they flip red) to see if they could be teammates, but that's me being too hopeful of being alive to do it so take it with a twist of lemon and a grain of salt

[Frozen Angel]

FA calling Hockey goofy makes me think of how scum Jeff was calling Enchant funny in Polish Rap

now even using others games to shade me lol

He had a certain behavior that I just gave 3 examples of. I say he was consistent with doing that. I don't call him goofy to just not call him scummy. I called him that because I couldn't find another word for the behavior

[Dwlee99]

VOTE ME

[Eyes without a face]

I literally am incapable of seeing any world in which Nero is town here.

You're the expert. I just happen to agree he's more likely scum but not confident enough to put it the way you did

[Andante]

OK I skimmed those spoilers as I'm never good at comprehending wallposts especially when they are commenting on previous stuff. I can't even tell if Umlaut already knew what's next and is do0ing the catch up with the intention to get to a certain stance or if he was honest and didn't take a peak. I'll call him null for now.

So..

the worst
Frozen
Stephen
Umlaut
Nero
Dwlee

Now off to the other 6 of which I think Andante, fire and Greeting are showing various shades of green. Hockey though takes the lead spot with the claim which I obviously am buying so wave and scorpious are my main 2 suspects here.

Combining both lists

Hockey
the worst
Frozen-Andante-Greeting
fire
Stephen
Umlaut
scorpious
wave
Nero
Dwlee


Disclaimer: I have not tried to double/treble ISO anyone against anyone else, meaning that these are separate reads on single slots and not necessarily connected with each other. I think I'll ISO the living suspects against the flipped ones (if they flip red) to see if they could be teammates, but that's me being too hopeful of being alive to do it so take it with a twist of lemon and a grain of salt

Hockey is your top TR here?

[Nero Cain]

Your examples are stupid and that's not "goofy" behavior. He's giving out content and playing the game.

goofy my ass

[Eyes without a face]

I don't care about whatever is happening with FA/Nero

I sorted both slots town individually, I don't care about this fight.

Eyes is acting scared to actually play the game.

This is exactly how I expect scum Dwlee to act. Appear focused on one slot and shrug off anything else. They don't even care to take sides on whther someone is right or wrong regardless of their alignment. They decided both slots are town and thus will not comment (so as not to impplicate themselves and/or alienate someone or another). Assuming Nero and Dwlee are scum together Dwlee doesn't want to create a link with their scum buddy. Assuming Nero is town Dwlee does not want to alienate either of Frozen/Nero because they both can bite.

[Nero Cain]

Wait...what are you claiming is "goofy"? is it "towny" and you are just not using that word?

[Frozen Angel]

Your examples are stupid and that's not "goofy" behavior. He's giving out content and playing the game.

goofy my ass

Not considering mafia can be aggressive upon replace in/ not considering mafia can buss each other and be pushing each other/ claiming backup half way when not pushed for elimination

yeah these are not what an experienced player would do. a player who get bitten by a mafia aggressive play fooling them wouldn't just refuse the possibility outright. town has doubt by nature in any content they make and read they provide and he had been consistent with acting the way he did.

call it in exprienced/ newbie like/ bad playing/goofy or whatever you want. But he was that yes and he was that literally all day long consistently to a point multiple other people mentioned it in their own way (fire did, adante did ...)

[Dwlee99]

I don't care about whatever is happening with FA/Nero

I sorted both slots town individually, I don't care about this fight.

Eyes is acting scared to actually play the game.

This is exactly how I expect scum Dwlee to act. Appear focused on one slot and shrug off anything else. They don't even care to take sides on whther someone is right or wrong regardless of their alignment. They decided both slots are town and thus will not comment (so as not to impplicate themselves and/or alienate someone or another). Assuming Nero and Dwlee are scum together Dwlee doesn't want to create a link with their scum buddy. Assuming Nero is town Dwlee does not want to alienate either of Frozen/Nero because they both can bite.

Okay so vote me loo

[Dwlee99]

Like you apparently have this meta knowledge of me you're trying to claim. You're speaking in very absolute terms about my slot... why aren't you voting me? Like if you're town why would you not be voting me right now?

[Frozen Angel]

I can name like 10 more instances of it.

He gives reads, people question it, he appologzies first and then explains where his read came from.

he asks a question, other player refuses to answer, he hesitates to question it again or push for it instantly after