Mini Normal 2262: NbITGBSMoD [game over]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.14

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-02-19 12:00:00).

yeet

Eyes without a face [3]:

wavemode, Dwlee99, Andante

Scorpious [2]:

fireisredsir, Eyes without a face

Nero Cain [2]:

Frozen Angel, the worst

HockeyFan [1]:

Stephen A Smith

Andante [1]:

HockeyFan

Frozen Angel [1]:

Nero Cain

Umlaut [1]:

Scorpious

not voting [2]:

Umlaut, Greeting

mod notes

~ this is a mod note.
~ i know i just did a vc, but #1000

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[Nero Cain]

you would react to that backup claim the way you did if you had any intention of solving the slot

how do you "solve" a slot without eliminating it or figuring out a setup? You don't. The most you can do is give a read on the slot which you aren't even really doing anyways. You haven't even decided if he's fakeclaiming or not and just straddling the fence with "ummm its such an ez claim to make as scum."

This is a mini normal which means there will only be a certain number of town prs (and yes both backup and UB are prs) so we can easily figure out if he's lying or not as more claims become available. Stop pretending like you don't know how to play mafia.

[Frozen Angel]

you would react to that backup claim the way you did if you had any intention of solving the slot

how do you "solve" a slot without eliminating it or figuring out a setup? You don't. The most you can do is give a read on the slot which you aren't even really doing anyways. You haven't even decided if he's fakeclaiming or not and just straddling the fence with "ummm its such an ez claim to make as scum."

This is a mini normal which means there will only be a certain number of town prs (and yes both backup and UB are prs) so we can easily figure out if he's lying or not as more claims become available. Stop pretending like you don't know how to play mafia.

I gave a read on the slot based on it's content and progression in day and explained it in detail multiple times. responding to your questions even. I even gave a read list and stated where I put him in it like in last page.

I never sat on fence with how the claim was done either. I explained how I find it consistent with his game play style that he claimed like that not even realizing how his claiming was useless there.

But the claim itself can literally go either way and that's the only thing you said about it without analyzing anything else regarding it considering he was your top scum read. You literally said yeah scum claim and so it town if they are a pr. Thanks sherlcok for stating that in front of everyone, looking like you're solving while in reality you're just distancing from actually giving a read on a slot that just claimed who was main pressure all day long without even caring to unvote them if you really think backup role is verifiable and saying we maybe should just give them a free pass for the claim.

and no that tiny irrelivent part I mentioned is not stupid. You had no reason to claim when you did and with what you did, as your claim means nothing. a back up is literally a VT at this point of game so there is literally no justification to even call you a power role. that + how you didn't even claim what kind of role you're backing up. claiming backup theoretically leaves a scum player open to adjust their claim based on later on flips so they can claim results that will confuse town. for example claiming a back up cop after a cop flips giving out a red claim on a mafia player and getting partner eliminated. it practically leaves a mafia to adjust their claim to whatever comes next. What you claimed mechanically is the easiest fake claim a mafia can do.

and that's why I said backup is the easiest possible fake claim for mafia and its like so obvious that you admitting like it's not true to justify your stance on that claim is actually tilting me

[the worst]

I feel like choosing "backup for something!" rather than "universal backup" or just.... like......... cop backup or vt....... is such a deliberate choice?

[Nero Cain]

Well yes. He's either town that feels like it's in towns best interest to not out information or he's scum that won't clarify b/c backup is a fakeclaim.

[Nero Cain]

I gave a read on the slot based on it's content and progression in day and explained it in detail multiple times. responding to your questions even. I even gave a read list and stated where I put him in it like in last page.

yes, you had a "null" read or a town read. I'm not really sure what it is with all these changes. Like at first I thought you were straight up town reading him and then you informed me that it was a "null" read which is really lame I feel and just in the past page its a town "lean". Or maybe it was always a town lean and then I misinterpreted that as a town read and you said it was a null read to try to make it look like I'm not paying attention to this game.

I never sat on fence with how the claim was done either. I explained how I find it consistent with his gameplay style that he claimed like that not even realizing how his claiming was useless there.

I think having a null read on the slot was fence-sitting. Him being close to elimination and then claiming is just normal play that he's going to do regardless of alignment. Claiming he claimed b/c he's "goofy" is pretty silly and it's not analysis. "his claim is consistent with his playstyle" "oh so what's your read?" "null" like its just a whole bunch of nothing.

"you're just distancing from actually giving a read"

his claim is consistent with his goofy playstyle.

He's null. Is not a read.

[the worst]

ya its just such a counterintuitive fakeclaim for d1

[the worst]

when ive floated thru and vibed a couple of times, ive felt some really interesting energy between [fire,wave] and then between [frozen,nero]. this gamestate is tense. Im so excited for when we have a couple of flips.

[Frozen Angel]

I gave a read on the slot based on it's content and progression in day and explained it in detail multiple times. responding to your questions even. I even gave a read list and stated where I put him in it like in last page.

yes, you had a "null" read or a town read. I'm not really sure what it is with all these changes. Like at first I thought you were straight up town reading him and then you informed me that it was a "null" read which is really lame I feel and just in the past page its a town "lean". Or maybe it was always a town lean and then I misinterpreted that as a town read and you said it was a null read to try to make it look like I'm not paying attention to this game.

I never sat on fence with how the claim was done either. I explained how I find it consistent with his gameplay style that he claimed like that not even realizing how his claiming was useless there.

I think having a null read on the slot was fence-sitting. Him being close to elimination and then claiming is just normal play that he's going to do regardless of alignment. Claiming he claimed b/c he's "goofy" is pretty silly and it's not analysis. "his claim is consistent with his playstyle" "oh so what's your read?" "null" like its just a whole bunch of nothing.

"you're just distancing from actually giving a read"

his claim is consistent with his goofy playstyle.

He's null. Is not a read.

stop with this nonsense wordplay

I him as a town lean cause of his consistency from way earlier in day (from where I voted adante) I explained what I meant from calling goofy and yes the claim was consistent with it.

You even claimed that you were under the assumption that I scum read the slot earlier and you were using that to start your counter push against me. Litteraly how can you be more inconsistent with why you're scum reading me?

[Nero Cain]

like all you really did was bash him for claiming which is??? b/c claiming @ L-2 is not abnormal. and explain why his claim could be from scum. I'm responding to the blurb above.

This just makes it really hard for me to consider him mafia while it doesn't make me feel he is town either. It's just putting him in not solvable position for me

this is your initial reaction and it's literally fence-sitting.

All you really did is say that you don't feel like he's scum (b/c of pr claim supposedly) but then said that it doesn't make you FEEL town which sorta contradicts. Then you bashed him and argued why it could be a scum claim. Stop with the holier than thou additude.

[Frozen Angel]

Like in litteraly no contest i said I have a null read on the slot.

The only time that you could claim I was null on something, was about his claim. I explained that cause YOU litteraly asked how what I said and what you said about his claim were different. I said his claim should not effect the read you have on the slot even in slightest. Fence sitting is litteraly by every definition what you did:

scum are far more likely to claim a PR to get out of an elimination than town unless said town is a pr. Not impossible that we did hit a town pr and I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2

That is fence-sitting, distancing, calling him scum, and getting away from the tension. Its the most terrible post ever and completely consistent with how you also reacted earlier with eye and litteraly can only see it happening by a mafia you.

[Frozen Angel]

like all you really did was bash him for claiming which is??? b/c claiming @ L-2 is not abnormal. and explain why his claim could be from scum. I'm responding to the blurb above.

This just makes it really hard for me to consider him mafia while it doesn't make me feel he is town either. It's just putting him in not solvable position for me

this is your initial reaction and it's literally fence-sitting.

All you really did is say that you don't feel like he's scum (b/c of pr claim supposedly) but then said that it doesn't make you FEEL town which sorta contradicts. Then you bashed him and argued why it could be a scum claim. Stop with the holier than thou additude.

I said he is a slight town lean for his consistency, that doesn't make me feel there is no chance I'm not getting fooled. that his actions and reads are baseless but he is consistent in what he does. I even said he is either being a master class mafia player right now faking that play style and attitude and being consistent with it or that he is just that personality-wise and I lean on the second from how he is playing and everything else I saw so I'm not scum reading him for any of it.

Thats a clear analysis. Where was yours?

[Frozen Angel]

like all you really did was bash him for claiming which is??? b/c claiming @ L-2 is not abnormal. and explain why his claim could be from scum. I'm responding to the blurb above.

This just makes it really hard for me to consider him mafia while it doesn't make me feel he is town either. It's just putting him in not solvable position for me

this is your initial reaction and it's literally fence-sitting.

All you really did is say that you don't feel like he's scum (b/c of pr claim supposedly) but then said that it doesn't make you FEEL town which sorta contradicts. Then you bashed him and argued why it could be a scum claim. Stop with the holier than thou additude.

like That's literally taking out something I said out of context after I clarified it to you at least a thousand times already.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Nero Cain]

I lean on second but have

him on null

and consider it a very hard slot to sort just by his content for this reason.

[Dwlee99]

Please just vote eyes

[Frozen Angel]

I lean on second but have

him on null

and consider it a very hard slot to sort just by his content for this reason.

lean on second = slight town lean in the same post

hard to sort cause of his playstyle but I find it consistent

You on the other hand can't be more obvious of a scum slot and I will literally do nothing else but to push you till you're flipped red the way you will

[Frozen Angel]

Please just vote eyes

Nope nero

please vote nero

[Frozen Angel]

Liettarly read what he says about why he is scumreading me and explain to me how ever a town can do this. He is literally inconsistent with the very basic of his read on my slot. he literally does a 180 about what he thinks my read on hockey was to shade it on either direction just to claim his read on my slot was made with a justifiable mind set

[Frozen Angel]

I coulda swore you town read him at some point :/

Coulda gotten you mixed up with someone else. I coulda swore you were town reading him hence the reason you weren't voting there. But I think having a null read there is kinda a cop out.

If anyone can see this paradox in his mindset and believes it a legit mindset being built to make a read on my slot, you're either crazy or I am.

I'm not unvoting this mafia

[Nero Cain]

when ive floated thru and vibed a couple of times, ive felt some really interesting energy between [fire,wave] and then between [frozen,nero]. this gamestate is tense. Im so excited for when we have a couple of flips.

so why are u voting me?

[Nero Cain]

I thought you were town reading a Hockey. You told me it was null. Where's the paradox?

[Stephen A Smith]

ya its just such a counterintuitive fakeclaim for d1

Explain why.

The goal of a fakeclaim is to get people to unvote(already successful).

He's also not forced to do any night actions that could reveal it's a fakeclaim via tracker/watcher/follower etc since he's a "backup"

He also can't be caught out as there's no idea what he's backing up.

If he claims universal backup and we have a dead vig he's kind of fucked when he can't make a vig shot happen for example.

[Frozen Angel]

I thought you were town reading a Hockey. You told me it was null. Where's the paradox?

Paradox was with your mindset.

You were trying to say that I'm scum for scum reading you for having the same stance on hockey and you double-downed on it multiple times saying how what I said about his claim meaning nothing somehow equates to you saying "scum claims so does town"

then you said you swore that you thought I was town reading the slot when I repeatedly was explaining how weak that town read actually is so you decided to change your reasoning for voting me to fence-sitting and calling him null which I never did.

Like you literally did a 180 switch there to act like you have a developed read on me where in reality you never said anything about why you ever scum read me = your read on me is faked = you are mafia.

[Nero Cain]

I've never changed my reasoning. I still think you are projecting scum but I ALSO think you are fence-sitting. It's not a change.

you did call him null in 787 but you are being nitpicky and saying null with a town lean which is kinda dumb.