| A | B | C | |
| Mafia | Mafia Roleblocker | Mafia Rolecop | Mafia Goon |
| Row 1 | Town Cop and Town Doctor | Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor | Town Cop and Vanilla Townie |
| Row 2 | Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker | Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor | Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie |
| Row 3 | Town Mason and Town Mason | Town Tracker and Town Doctor | Town Mason and Town Mason |
Cool we have an armada of SEs this game.In post 6, KittyTacky wrote:My first first post!
Hello everyone. I now realize I should have inned as a SE because I have a few games under my belt already...
Booo, i signed up to toy with newbies. Not to speak to SE’s.In post 6, KittyTacky wrote:My first first post!
Hello everyone. I now realize I should have inned as a SE because I have a few games under my belt already...
Looking at the setup, I don't see where fakeclaiming would help the town. Mafia can narrow it down to 3 possible pr distributions based on their own pr (or lack thereof), so claiming outside of that group of 3 means mafia know you are lying. Fake claiming typically gets another power role to counter claim based off of a mismatch of info. Even if that doesn't happen, the way vt players react can reveal that they are not prs (and remember that mafia has more info about the setup and so can spot this kind of thing easier)In post 13, TistDaniel wrote:One thing I would like clarification about in particular: one of Micc's posts says "Do not fake claim a power role as town!" I totally get that I can win even if I'm dead, and if I'm vanilla, me fake-claiming has the potential to screw up town in a big way. But what if I'm not vanilla?
Cop: either check people who you suspect or who are middling in your reads/hard to sort, or who have low contentIn post 13, TistDaniel wrote:Since this is a newbie game, there's a good chance that a new player has gotten a power role they've never had before, and don't know how to play. It benefits town if all town players know how to play their roles. So could the more experienced players talk for a bit about how the power roles should be played, strategy for using the powers, when it's appropriate to claim, etc?
Cop: I sort of agree, but i think that unless you think it will be impossible to eliminate an player you suspect without an guilty, basically you need to consider if you can eliminate this player with the help of other town players or not, if you can then it's an waste of an investigation as it will (fhopefully) flip scum and you can focus on checking a player that's in the "middle" so to say. Basically it is more important for the cop to check players that are likely to be an distraction/mislim if they aren't scum. So town can get a better view of the gamestate. Checking low content slots is an meh cop check imo. But if they do absolutely nothing and will likely keep being alive and that way, it could be an good check so they can be crossed off the checklist.In post 14, Dunnstral wrote:In post 13, TistDaniel wrote: Cop: either check people who you suspect or who are middling in your reads/hard to sort, or who have low content
Tracker: same but your action isn't 100% clearing and it's more of a toss-up
Doctor: protect players who seem likely to die by play or by claiming a role
Jailkeeper: you can do the same as with Doctor, or you can try to roleblock the kill. Keep in mind that this role roleblocks town prs if used to protect
Friendly Neighbor: Try to target someone you think is town and who isn't likely to die
Mason: avoid looking suspicious since you have extra knowledge so you don't have to claim early
The most straightforward approach to cop is to "soft" claim your info if it is an innocent so that people can look back at your posts and find your result, and to hard claim when you find mafiaIn post 15, TistDaniel wrote:Dunnstral, I know mafia can narrow it down to three possible setups. If we have a cop, we're either in A1 or C1. Mafia knows only whether we're in A or C. Both A and C can be masons, which is why I suggested that the cop fake claim as mason. From Mafia's perspective, that is a plausible claim. From the doctor's perspective, it is not, but mafia have no reason not to believe it. And if the doctor knows not to counterclaim until late the following day (or there is no doctor), town power roles are safe, and the cop gets a scan they otherwise wouldn't have gotten.
Thank you for your advice for power roles. Follow up questions:
Should cop claim the instant they detect scum, or should they try to find the second scum role?
Should doctor/jailkeeper claim if they believe they've prevented a night kill?
In post 18, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Newbieread: TistDaniel prob town because i don't expect newbie rolling mafia to ask for optimal town and PR play first thing in the game.
You could claim, but the absolute best play is to crumb that you know the player you protected is town. That way you can both hopefully make it clear to the town that you did protect them but also hopefully not too obviously so that mafia figures it out and kills you. The best is to subtly hint it, and if you die the following night then town will hopefully either have understood it, or get's it once you have flipped doctor/jailkeeper.In post 19, TistDaniel wrote:What if you're the doctor, the cop/tracker got killed, and you blocked a nightkill? I think in that circumstance, you should claim. As I see it, the doctor's main function is to protect cop/tracker if they claim, and once they're dead, you're unlikely to block the nightkill ever again, so if you've blocked it once, that's probably the most valuable information you'll ever be able to give town. Am I right on this?
I don't think this is a very normal circumstance where you have cleared everyone except one player. But yes you should obviously claim in this instance.In post 19, TistDaniel wrote:Is there ever a point where a cop should claim if they haven't detected scum? Actually no, that's obvious. If they've identified all innocents still alive, they should obviously claim, because the only players they haven't scanned will be scum. But what if they've identified all innocents left alive, minus one? Is that a good time to claim? It would confirm most of the remaining town players, which would be very advantageous to town, right?