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[Aristeia]

I meant Mathblade, not House.

[Aristeia]

My point was there was no good reason for IV to decide to not play the game and blind-sheep Mathblade.

[Aristeia]

The point about sheeping House has to do with nightkill analysis.

House died stating he wanted to vote for IV - it would be silly for the mafia to nightkill House if IV is town here as House if alive would vote for IV and give the Mafia the win.

[Andresvmb]

here are some examples:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=88280

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88427

We’ve already established that I don’t do this sort of meta analysis. You’ve already grossly mischaracterized my Town meta, so there’s also that. I’ll take a look, and I’m sure I’ll find an IV that is far more engaged than whatever this is. But being a TPR can also factor into that. Like find me a game where they’re a power role, and then we can talk. That’s a comparable situation. If they flipped Vanilla in those games, then it’s not apples to apples.

[Datisi]

the more obvious Partner for IV is Mathblade

why am i a possible partner to ari but not to iv? and also i'm pretty sure this team ^^ makes no sense since it would BOTH leave town with only having two power roles and have scum be able to block baltar's invest and ruin it, so

[Aristeia]

it would nice to be your partner Dats

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12557861

IV town PR role super old but went off memory than searching every game

I pretty much agree the game is Ari Dats or IV Andres and it’s a matter of picking right here

[MathBlade]

Pretty sure if it is IV + Andres Andres doesn’t want to be locked into voting Ari first.

Mainly unless IV cross votes as expected since every team that could have quickhammered IV I likely will vote IV.

He said he is back on Saturday so I expect a vote by then from him.

[MathBlade]

Then I expect that Andres will have to follow suit with an Ari vote then Datisi will vote IV.

Leaving me the weekend to read in peace

[Datisi]

Pretty sure if it is IV + Andres Andres doesn’t want to be locked into voting Ari first.

Mainly unless IV cross votes as expected since every team that could have quickhammered IV I likely will vote IV.

He said he is back on Saturday so I expect a vote by then from him.

not sure what this post means? especially the middle part

[MathBlade]

Pretty sure if it is IV + Andres Andres doesn’t want to be locked into voting Ari first.

Mainly unless IV cross votes as expected since every team that could have quickhammered IV I likely will vote IV.

He said he is back on Saturday so I expect a vote by then from him.

not sure what this post means? especially the middle part

The only possible scum teams that could have quickhammered from IV’s perspective

Me and Datisi => no quickhammer
Me and Andres => no quickhammer
Datisi and Andres => no quickhammer

So there should be no doubt in IV’s mind that Ari is scum.

So if IV doesn’t vote Ari then regardless of my reads/opinions IV is scum

[MathBlade]

Andres is already trying to pivot to the next day if scum. If town I would have expected him to drop an Ari vote right away.

[Datisi]

if you think andres can only be scum with iv, wouldn't him "pivoting to the next day" be him preparing to vote iv? like, if he votes ari and you vote her out, there will be no next day then

[MathBlade]

The only options Andres scum has is either bus IV or vote Ari

Considering how hard he has pushed Ari voting IV even though it buys him another day if IV is scum he knows that looks bad the next day

So then it comes to Andres if scum votes Ari here eventually then I decide between the pairings is what realistically happens.

[MathBlade]

if you think andres can only be scum with iv, wouldn't him "pivoting to the next day" be him preparing to vote iv? like, if he votes ari and you vote her out, there will be no next day then

That’s what I am saying?

I am trying to consider Ari town while not engaging with her because I know if I do I will rage vote her which if she is town is bad

[MathBlade]

So I can wait for the inevitable IV votes Ari vote and then wait for Andres to do something

If he doesn’t then I take it as a scum claim and then just vote IV on Saturday/Sunday

[Datisi]

oh, considering apparently you and ari can't talk to each other without screaming, do i get to be the negotiator? fun

[MathBlade]

oh, considering apparently you and ari can't talk to each other without screaming, do i get to be the negotiator? fun

I just plan on not talking with her as that’s best for thread health.

[MathBlade]

I will read what she writes but I won’t respond it will just make the game better for everyone

[Andresvmb]

the more obvious Partner for IV is Mathblade

why am i a possible partner to ari but not to iv? and also i'm pretty sure this team ^^ makes no sense since it would BOTH leave town with only having two power roles and have scum be able to block baltar's invest and ruin it, so

You’re really only talking IV, because Mathblade as a Named Townie isn’t much of a threat to any Scum Team you come up with.

[Andresvmb]

Andres is already trying to pivot to the next day if scum. If town I would have expected him to drop an Ari vote right away.

Not sure where you’re getting this from. I don’t rush Endgames, regardless of whether I’m firm in my conviction or not, unless (i) I’m voted or (ii) I absolutely think it’s necessary to win (like in my first game on this forum).

[MathBlade]

No quickhammer just to solidify again

[Andresvmb]

The only options Andres scum has is either bus IV or vote Ari

Considering how hard he has pushed Ari voting IV even though it buys him another day if IV is scum he knows that looks bad the next day

So then it comes to Andres if scum votes Ari here eventually then I decide between the pairings is what realistically happens.

I’m Town. I’m not pivoting to anything. I’m also allowed to think things through and analyze the game. If you’re making this comment about me, you should be making it about Datisi too. Datisi has been dragging a vote both yesterday and today. So not sure why that’s not relevant all of a sudden.

[MathBlade]

The only options Andres scum has is either bus IV or vote Ari

Considering how hard he has pushed Ari voting IV even though it buys him another day if IV is scum he knows that looks bad the next day

So then it comes to Andres if scum votes Ari here eventually then I decide between the pairings is what realistically happens.

I’m Town. I’m not pivoting to anything. I’m also allowed to think things through and analyze the game. If you’re making this comment about me, you should be making it about Datisi too. Datisi has been dragging a vote both yesterday and today. So not sure why that’s not relevant all of a sudden.

Datisi and Ari have been paired at the hip all game.

I doubt there’s nothing I could say or you could say that makes him vote Ari.

[Andresvmb]

I wish someone had just voted me so I don’t have to do this anymore. Either the game would be over or I get to go 1v1 with Scum. That’s easy enough.