Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1-3

TTTT (2):

Alianna, Mr Turtle

marcistar (1):

Lukewarm

Alianna (1):

TTTT

BigTerp (1):

furtiveglance

Not Voting (4):

Somnus, PlmPestPlaY, BigTerp, marcistar

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 15, 5 am GMT.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-15 05:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[BigTerp]

Vote Count 1-3

TTTT (2):

Alianna, Mr Turtle

marcistar (1):

Lukewarm

Alianna (1):

TTTT

BigTerp (1):

furtiveglance

Not Voting (4):

Somnus, PlmPestPlaY, BigTerp, marcistar

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 15, 5 am GMT.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-15 05:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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Thanks for the add!!

Quickly reading through the game, I had an early read on @furtiveglance as town. @Somnus is seeming scummy

[BigTerp]

Sorry, hit submit with my fat thumb before I finished my thoughts.

I've got furtiveglance as a town lean, but am a bit confused with post #92. Are you claiming Town Cop there?

Somnus leaning scum is just an early gut feel.

VOTE: SOMNUS

[furtiveglance]

Hey furtive
can you tell me who between Alanna and PimP
has a scummier entrance so far
and why?
yeah I know it's super early
but I need to see how you are thinking

I can't really read entrances like you seem to think you can. I will say this though, it was interesting that Alianna gave some ground in 52 and 54 when I would probably have told you to get lost. Town can be self-aware as well as mafia however.

As for PP (lol), their entrance seemed (again in a self-aware way) clumsy and awkward - 'Can't delete posts, right?'.

None of this is really something I would form reads on,

I prefer to analyse after the fact.

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

After what fact?

The day 1 vote will give us a flip. I will use that to analyse day 1.

In your opinion, would you say "clumsy and awkward" entrance posts are more likely to be town or mafia?

No opinion on that like I said, just giving TTTT what they wanted.

[TTTT]

Somnus
I think he was making a joke
best if we don't talk too much about PRs

[TTTT]

That was meant @BigTerp not Somnus

[furtiveglance]

Sorry, hit submit with my fat thumb before I finished my thoughts.

I've got furtiveglance as a town lean, but am a bit confused with post #92. Are you claiming Town Cop there?

Somnus leaning scum is just an early gut feel.

VOTE: SOMNUS

In 92 I was joking about the tags under our usernames.

[furtiveglance]

103 is formatted wrong but I think you can work out which bits I wrote.

[BigTerp]

Sorry, hit submit with my fat thumb before I finished my thoughts.

I've got furtiveglance as a town lean, but am a bit confused with post #92. Are you claiming Town Cop there?

Somnus leaning scum is just an early gut feel.

VOTE: SOMNUS

In 92 I was joking about the tags under our usernames.

Gotcha. Although joking like that can create confusion. Who likes confusion in a game or Mafia? SCUM!! I've still got you as a town read though, for now.

Speaking of confusion, the first page or two had a lot of talk about a previous game or 2. Seems like a few of you were already in a game together, which is fine. But talk that like, again, is prime for causing confusion. Further cements my thoughts (scum lean) on Somnus and raises my eyebrow towards TTTT.

[Mr Turtle]

Hey furtive
can you tell me who between Alanna and PimP
has a scummier entrance so far
and why?
yeah I know it's super early
but I need to see how you are thinking

I can't really read entrances like you seem to think you can. I will say this though, it was interesting that Alianna gave some ground in 52 and 54 when I would probably have told you to get lost. Town can be self-aware as well as mafia however.

As for PP (lol), their entrance seemed (again in a self-aware way) clumsy and awkward - 'Can't delete posts, right?'.

None of this is really something I would form reads on,

I prefer to analyse after the fact.

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

After what fact?

The day 1 vote will give us a flip. I will use that to analyse day 1.

In your opinion, would you say "clumsy and awkward" entrance posts are more likely to be town or mafia?

No opinion on that like I said, just giving TTTT what they wanted.

So what is your plan for day 1 while you wait for a flip?

[furtiveglance]

Hey furtive
can you tell me who between Alanna and PimP
has a scummier entrance so far
and why?
yeah I know it's super early
but I need to see how you are thinking

I can't really read entrances like you seem to think you can. I will say this though, it was interesting that Alianna gave some ground in 52 and 54 when I would probably have told you to get lost. Town can be self-aware as well as mafia however.

As for PP (lol), their entrance seemed (again in a self-aware way) clumsy and awkward - 'Can't delete posts, right?'.

None of this is really something I would form reads on,

I prefer to analyse after the fact.

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

After what fact?

The day 1 vote will give us a flip. I will use that to analyse day 1.

In your opinion, would you say "clumsy and awkward" entrance posts are more likely to be town or mafia?

No opinion on that like I said, just giving TTTT what they wanted.

So what is your plan for day 1 while you wait for a flip?

I will probably wait for a wagon to form, then defend the person getting voted/question the people on the wagon

[TTTT]

Speaking of confusion, the first page or two had a lot of talk about a previous game or 2. Seems like a few of you were already in a game together, which is fine. But talk that like, again, is prime for causing confusion. Further cements my thoughts (scum lean) on Somnus and raises my eyebrow towards TTTT.

how odd

[TTTT]

Furtive
your plan is to defend whoever is wagoned?
I'm so confused right now
Luke plz be town I need you

[TTTT]

@BigTerp
your only other game on site is from a loooong time ago
have you played online mafia elsewhere?

[furtiveglance]

Furtive
your plan is to defend whoever is wagoned?
I'm so confused right now
Luke plz be town I need you

I don't want a repeat of Ofmerciagate. I think sometimes the day 1 elimination is someone who feels a bit awkward/doesn't quite fit in and I don't want that because that is often town.

[TTTT]

I can't get over 108
paragraph #1 - Furtive is a TR
paragraph #2 - TTTT is a scumlean for something he didn't do, but Furtive did do

[TTTT]

Furtive
your plan is to defend whoever is wagoned?
I'm so confused right now
Luke plz be town I need you

I don't want a repeat of Ofmerciagate. I think sometimes the day 1 elimination is someone who feels a bit awkward/doesn't quite fit in and I don't want that because that is often town.

I think this is a lazy approach
regardless of your alignment
scum can be found day1

[furtiveglance]

Furtive
your plan is to defend whoever is wagoned?
I'm so confused right now
Luke plz be town I need you

I don't want a repeat of Ofmerciagate. I think sometimes the day 1 elimination is someone who feels a bit awkward/doesn't quite fit in and I don't want that because that is often town.

I think this is a lazy approach
regardless of your alignment
scum can be found day1

Scum can be found day 1 but it's not as likely. Scum will likely be quite careful on day 1, and are less likely to be collectively scumread since mafia make up 2 (usually active) players in the town.

[furtiveglance]

I'm interested to see what other people think on this, as I've only played one game here.
Are mafia usually voted out day 1?

[TTTT]

yes statistically day1 results in a miselim more than a scum elim
because
1) there are more town players
2) scum is informed

but this by no means is an excuse to not try
town winrate goes up enormously when you catch scum day1
and when I was active here a couple years back we often caught scum day1
my town winrate in Newbie games is 11-1
lots of that was luck, but also some damn good scumhunting by some really great town teams

[furtiveglance]

yes statistically day1 results in a miselim more than a scum elim
because
1) there are more town players
2) scum is informed

but this by no means is an excuse to not try
town winrate goes up enormously when you catch scum day1
and when I was active here a couple years back we often caught scum day1
my town winrate in Newbie games is 11-1
lots of that was luck, but also some damn good scumhunting by some really great town teams

Link to that one game?

[furtiveglance]

And yeah of course I want to win. It's just that a popular wagon is likely town, especially if the reasoning behind the suspicion is the suspected person's individual awkwardness/stubbornness/lack of adequate blending. I will try to look out for those kind of players being miscondemned

[TTTT]

linkie: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=79316
game also gives a good example of me defending an awkward new player day1 when they are being SR by everyone

[BigTerp]

@BigTerp
your only other game on site is from a loooong time ago
have you played online mafia elsewhere?

Yes. I played a good bit on a sports forum, of all places, years ago. About the same amount of time it's been since I last played here, FWIW.

[BigTerp]

I can't get over 108
paragraph #1 - Furtive is a TR
paragraph #2 - TTTT is a scumlean for something he didn't do, but Furtive did do

Fair enough. I went back through the first two pages. Not sure why I had you discussing previous games. You didn't. Somnus did, a lot, as well as Furtive although not as much. Maybe a silly thing for me to get caught up about.