Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[TTTT]

Alanna
talk to me about furtive please

[Alianna]

You seem to enjoy interrogating me lol. One second.

[marcistar]

Yes, I'm curious as well. Whats furtiveglances experience like?

[BigTerp]

Hard hard disagree. Stuff like that (in the first two pages, no less when like 4 people out of 9 were here) helps sort people’s experience/play style. That’s the opposite of confusion. You scum-read me for it but gave the two players asking questions about previous games a null and/or townread for it.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. Discussing previous games is unproductive, IMO. Understanding players experience level is a different story and something that is helpful. No need to discuss how someone played previously as Mafia, or vanilla town, etc. though.

[Somnus]

Yes, I'm curious as well. Whats furtiveglances experience like?

Hey, Marci. Welcome.

[Alianna]

Hard hard disagree. Stuff like that (in the first two pages, no less when like 4 people out of 9 were here) helps sort people’s experience/play style. That’s the opposite of confusion. You scum-read me for it but gave the two players asking questions about previous games a null and/or townread for it.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. Discussing previous games is unproductive, IMO. Understanding players experience level is a different story and something that is helpful. No need to discuss how someone played previously as Mafia, or vanilla town, etc. though.

I would think it can be helpful to identify patterns in a person’s playstyle. I don’t think it’s smart to base reads off only that but it can still be a factor.

[Somnus]

Hard hard disagree. Stuff like that (in the first two pages, no less when like 4 people out of 9 were here) helps sort people’s experience/play style. That’s the opposite of confusion. You scum-read me for it but gave the two players asking questions about previous games a null and/or townread for it.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. Discussing previous games is unproductive, IMO. Understanding players experience level is a different story and something that is helpful. No need to discuss how someone played previously as Mafia, or vanilla town, etc. though.

So TTTT and furtive get a scum-lean for asking me about my previous scum-game then, correct? And I'd get a town-read if I ignored their questions and told them it wasn't productive? Like...lol what even is this logic.

[Lukewarm]

Sorry guys, been a busy day.

I am kinda sad that Marci has not shown up, I find her to be easiest to read in the very start of the game, before she has found her footing, but now there will be content for her to latch on to as either alignment, so :shrug:

Vague thoughts from skimming through, furtive feels way different then last game. Like more laid back then I remember? Not sure if it is just getting his sea legs on site, or if he is scum more worried about appearances, but definitely stood out to me.

Also, I am catching what TTTT is putting down wrt to BigTerp's entrance.

He enters the thread with 1 town lean and 1 scum lean, and then before he can even articulate the town lean he is noticing that furtive is claiming a scum role, and is confused, but it also not halting posting his read before he understands what is happening.

Frankly it feels like he started with the read, and then opened the iso and was like "wait, what?" - but could not walk it back because he had already hit send on 101

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I would move my vote, but I am contractually obligated to leave my RVS vote on Marci at least until she gets here and assures me she is town

[marcistar]

Yes, I'm curious as well. Whats furtiveglances experience like?

Hey, Marci. Welcome.

Hi, thank you.
I'm still reading right now, and quoting things. But do you have any guesses why I asked specifically about furtiveglance?

[Lukewarm]

oh wait, marci is here now - not fully caught up

[Lukewarm]

Marci, are you town?

[marcistar]

no, r u?

[Lukewarm]

Yes, I'm curious as well. Whats furtiveglances experience like?

They are a newbie, we were both town in our last game and I was a loud voice towards killing them. Which is part of the reason I am hesitant to call them scummy for their posts so far :/

[Alianna]

Alanna
talk to me about furtive please

General impression is nullish-maybe-town. I will read into things more and give a more detailed post later, but my laptop just died and I don’t particularly want to scroll through their ISO on my phone.

[Lukewarm]

Marci, are you town?

no, r u?

[Somnus]

Yes, I'm curious as well. Whats furtiveglances experience like?

Hey, Marci. Welcome.

Hi, thank you.
I'm still reading right now, and quoting things. But do you have any guesses why I asked specifically about furtiveglance?

I'm guessing it has to do with the joking scum-claims? Curious where you're going with this.

[Lukewarm]

My biggest townread is Mr Turtle. They seem quite frank in a way that mafia might not be on day 1.

Urge to scum read Furtive growing

Spoiler:

Good afternoon.

VOTE: TTTT

That profile picture scares me.

Hey furtive
can you tell me who between Alanna and PimP
has a scummier entrance so far
and why?
yeah I know it's super early
but I need to see how you are thinking

I can't really read entrances like you seem to think you can. I will say this though, it was interesting that Alianna gave some ground in 52 and 54 when I would probably have told you to get lost. Town can be self-aware as well as mafia however.

As for PP (lol), their entrance seemed (again in a self-aware way) clumsy and awkward - 'Can't delete posts, right?'.

None of this is really something I would form reads on,

I prefer to analyse after the fact.

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

After what fact?

In your opinion, would you say "clumsy and awkward" entrance posts are more likely to be town or mafia?

Hey furtive
can you tell me who between Alanna and PimP
has a scummier entrance so far
and why?
yeah I know it's super early
but I need to see how you are thinking

I can't really read entrances like you seem to think you can. I will say this though, it was interesting that Alianna gave some ground in 52 and 54 when I would probably have told you to get lost. Town can be self-aware as well as mafia however.

As for PP (lol), their entrance seemed (again in a self-aware way) clumsy and awkward - 'Can't delete posts, right?'.

None of this is really something I would form reads on,

I prefer to analyse after the fact.

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

After what fact?

The day 1 vote will give us a flip. I will use that to analyse day 1.

In your opinion, would you say "clumsy and awkward" entrance posts are more likely to be town or mafia?

No opinion on that like I said, just giving TTTT what they wanted.

So what is your plan for day 1 while you wait for a flip?

Either Furtive has become a completely different person since last game, or he is faking his reads

[BigTerp]

Hoping to hear more from lukewarm, Mr Turtle, and Pimpest (as well as for marcistar to join) so I have a complete roster to make initial reads of.

Hard hard disagree. Stuff like that (in the first two pages, no less when like 4 people out of 9 were here) helps sort people’s experience/play style. That’s the opposite of confusion. You scum-read me for it but gave the two players asking questions about previous games a null and/or townread for it.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. Discussing previous games is unproductive, IMO. Understanding players experience level is a different story and something that is helpful. No need to discuss how someone played previously as Mafia, or vanilla town, etc. though.

So TTTT and furtive get a scum-lean for asking me about my previous scum-game then, correct? And I'd get a town-read if I ignored their questions and told them it wasn't productive? Like...lol what even is this logic.

It was something to get things moving for me early day one. It just seemed odd, as I'm not used to so much discussion about previous games, especially when it directly effects the current game. Maybe it's just that things have changed in that respect since I last played. But especially for a newbie game, I don't see how it's productive. And I certainly am not going to dig back through previous games to try and gain Intel.

[BigTerp]

no, r u?

??

[marcistar]

Alianna
you seem like a fun person
I'm sorry you rolled scum in your first game
I hope you have an experienced partner to talk to so it's not overwhelming

I swear I’m town, just lacking braincells today.

I agree with whatever Luke said about this post, I lost it but I agree with it

64, 65 I don't find the content of these weird, I just find it weird how they name dropped a different mafia community, but said nothing else Surely that means they have ~some sort of experience

Speaking of confusion, the first page or two had a lot of talk about a previous game or 2. Seems like a few of you were already in a game together, which is fine. But talk that like, again, is prime for causing confusion. Further cements my thoughts (scum lean) on Somnus and raises my eyebrow towards TTTT.

I think the first few pages its fine to do this stuff since like, what better would we talk about at game start?

Yeah. Like I’m cool with the vote on me, but the logic used behind it, as well as the immediate town-read on furtive (not a shot at furtive, btw) for the exact same thing is absurd. Not to mention thinking that furtive hard-claimed town cop less than 24 hours into the game after jokingly stating he was mafia role cop. Enough about power roles. This is a bad idea.

IDK if im dumb but this seems a bit eh.. like noncommital? Mostly just based on like 2 words in it though. But otherwise I think Somnus would be town.

I find furtiveglance scummy yes.
10 feels VERY forced. While 18 also in a way feels a bit forced, but in the way of I think they're just inviting useless conversation to seem busy.
81, 117 just honestly feels like excuses and setting himself up so that he'll be able to get away with defending a possible scum wagon in the future by being like "OMG GUYS WTF I GAVE WARNING!!! ". I agree with TTTTs post about it as well.
82 this feels like an honest question to me considering the follow through so it seems a bit like a slip imo.
97 Where was his vote before this? Because this seems WEIRD and standouts from his other posts when I was reading.
For me, I read parts of 127 in a nervous defensive sort of tone. Thats how I think its read, it seems like he doesn't want TTTT to get on his case for some reason. Whats he scared of?
131 I had something to say about this but now i'm tired so you guys can guess first

[marcistar]

no, r u?

??

what about it

[BigTerp]

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Also, I am catching what TTTT is putting down wrt to BigTerp's entrance.

He enters the thread with 1 town lean and 1 scum lean, and then before he can even articulate the town lean he is noticing that furtive is claiming a scum role, and is confused, but it also not halting posting his read before he understands what is happening.

Frankly it feels like he started with the read, and then opened the iso and was like "wait, what?" - but could not walk it back because he had already hit send on 101

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I would move my vote, but I am contractually obligated to leave my RVS vote on Marci at least until she gets here and assures me she is town

To be fair, I questioned if Furtive was claiming a special town role, not a scum role. Either way, again, it seems like play style in general has changed since I last played. I may have some catching up to do.

[Somnus]

Hoping to hear more from lukewarm, Mr Turtle, and Pimpest (as well as for marcistar to join) so I have a complete roster to make initial reads of.

Hard hard disagree. Stuff like that (in the first two pages, no less when like 4 people out of 9 were here) helps sort people’s experience/play style. That’s the opposite of confusion. You scum-read me for it but gave the two players asking questions about previous games a null and/or townread for it.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. Discussing previous games is unproductive, IMO. Understanding players experience level is a different story and something that is helpful. No need to discuss how someone played previously as Mafia, or vanilla town, etc. though.

So TTTT and furtive get a scum-lean for asking me about my previous scum-game then, correct? And I'd get a town-read if I ignored their questions and told them it wasn't productive? Like...lol what even is this logic.

It was something to get things moving for me early day one. It just seemed odd, as I'm not used to so much discussion about previous games, especially when it directly effects the current game. Maybe it's just that things have changed in that respect since I last played. But especially for a newbie game, I don't see how it's productive. And I certainly am not going to dig back through previous games to try and gain Intel.

That's fine if you choose not to dig through people's ISOs from previous games.

You know what else gets things moving early in Day 1? Discussing people's experience/play-style.

[BigTerp]

no, r u?

??

what about it

You were directly asked if you were town. Your response was "no, r u?" Please explain.

[BigTerp]

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That's fine if you choose not to dig through people's ISOs from previous games.

You know what else gets things moving early in Day 1? Discussing people's experience/play-style.

Fair enough. Just not now I'm familiar with playing.