WAIT OOPS-
I meant to you but anyone can respond ig
Yes, I didn't really like
furtiveglance
's answers to my questions in posts 103 & 110 as well as his mindset 114 & 117. To me it seems that he doesn't want to solve the game because it's day 1 and hides between a curtain of meta by saying "but last game we mis-eliminated on day 1!". However his reads list in 131 was good. He does a full 180 following 130 and puts an effort in to solve, it seems. The actual reads list is hedgy, but I attribute that more to newness than scumminess. Tonally I feel like he's been a bit stiff and forced, as I believe you and Lukewarm already previously pointed out (224 or 8, for example). I'll be honest and say that I have little idea whether his newness is clouding my judgement. Currently, I have him as a scum-lean.
PlmPestPlaY
has the least amount of posts. He OMGUS' Somnus, makes a couple of statements I didn't really get in 201. I hope we can convince him to post a bit more and be more confident, else he'll remain completely unreadable. His lack of posting is
probably
due to this being his first forum game - I've been in the exact same place not even that long ago; however there's always the possibility of him being an overwhelmed mafia. He's in the null range for me, but I'd love to see a bit more thoughts even if they're basic and bare-boned.
I'm a bit wary of you,
marcistar
. I don't get whether the latter part of 208 is a joke or not, but being vague makes it much harder to read you and not voting does too. Being able to double down on a take because you formulated it vague on purpose rarely helps the town and it's hard to know where you're at regarding your reads. I also agree with BigTerp's take on you with regards to the vague questions. Asking questions is completely valid and fine - I've done so a lot as well - but I'm missing the part where you draw conclusions from the answers that you've gotten and share them with the thread. However I did like your post in 169. You seemed to be putting effort into the game and the case on furtiveglance is the most well thought-out case this game. I just don't get why you wouldn't vote him after saying you find him scummy and casing him? I get that you want to make sure that you like the vote (208), but you seemed to have built a rather convincing case on him. At the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. Maybe you could explain to me why you asked the questions and what you got out of the answers (198, 158 etc.)? How do you plan on solving this game, what's your approach? It would be appreciated.
VOTE: marcistar
this post gives me the heebie jeebies but I cannot articulate why
I know how scummy it looks to say this
but there it is
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
TTTT is acting strangely at the moment. They seem to have stronger scumreads (including me and potentially Turtle but I'm not sure) but has settled for pushing PPP. I'd like a full breakdown from them soon
I'm not doing a whole long reads list
not really my thing
and I already said I pretty much completely agree with Turtle's list
right now the day1 elim should be in:
furtive
Luke
Marci
PPP
Luke probably has the charisma to avoid a day1 elim (and is a likely N1 kill if he is town and starts showing it)
furtive I feel pretty confident can be sorted later
so unless something changes (which it probably will with 7 days left) I'd like wagons to build on Marci and PPP
like ideally here we have both Marci and PPP at E-2
based on everybody's stated reads I don't know why we don't
and then stuff starts happening
right now nearly half the playerlist isn't voting
so nobody feels pressure
I think it's a good idea
just make sure to make it obvious with bold text when you are putting someone at E-1
like this:
Spoiler:
Marci is now at E-1
That means the next vote for Marci is the hammer that ends the day.
Nobody should hammer until first giving "intent to hammer" and allowing Marci to claim a role and to let other players unvote if they aren't ready for the day to end.
An early hammer vote will be taken as a scumclaim.
Marci is now at E-1.
That means the next vote for Marci is the hammer that ends the day.
Nobody should hammer until first giving "intent to hammer" and allowing Marci to claim a role and to let other players unvote if they aren't ready for the day to end.
An early hammer vote will be taken as a scumclaim.
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
On my initial read through, I have a town pile of Turtle, Alianna, and TTTT --- Although, I don' know how I feel about him encouraging an E-1 vote right now.
Gonna give the other players a closer look (literally right now) before I put my vote back in play
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
In post 308, TTTT wrote:I'm not doing a whole long reads list
not really my thing
and I already said I pretty much completely agree with Turtle's list
right now the day1 elim should be in:
furtive
Luke
Marci
PPP
Luke probably has the charisma to avoid a day1 elim (and is a likely N1 kill if he is town and starts showing it)
furtive I feel pretty confident can be sorted later
so unless something changes (which it probably will with 7 days left) I'd like wagons to build on Marci and PPP
Can you tell me why BigTerp and Somnus are pulled off of you day 1 lim pile
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
Started working through the isos of people not in my town pile, planning to do everyone, but found scum before I finished my list
BigTerp
Did not like his entrance 101/102/108 - discussed before
Most of his iso feels empty. Like so much of it is talking about whether or not we should be talking about prior games, that it is completely overshadowing any thoughts he might have about this game - which is kinda ironic tbh.
The things that give me pause are 207 and 251 because they are exactly my reactions to those same posts [see 291 and 300 from my own iso. Like eerily similar to the point where I might have suspected him mirroring my posts if his did not come before mine lol.
Somnus
Reading his iso, his first 22 posts say nothing at all. That is a lot of posts to make, for it to say nothing.
There is a latch onto BigTerp's entrance [135 136 139 147 156 172 186 (in spoiler below)] - then more nothing posts [140 148 149 154] before a "prod vote"
This is scum.
Post 187 / Iso 34 ---- He is at prod votes, with no thoughts or reasons. Even looking at his interactions with BigTerp - no hint at thinking that BigTerp is scum making up a reason to scum read him.
In post 102, BigTerp wrote:Sorry, hit submit with my fat thumb before I finished my thoughts.
I've got furtiveglance as a town lean, but am a bit confused with post #92. Are you claiming Town Cop there?
Somnus leaning scum is just an early gut feel.
VOTE: SOMNUS
In 92 I was joking about the tags under our usernames.
Gotcha. Although joking like that can create confusion. Who likes confusion in a game or Mafia? SCUM!! I've still got you as a town read though, for now.
Speaking of confusion, the first page or two had a lot of talk about a previous game or 2. Seems like a few of you were already in a game together, which is fine. But talk that like, again, is prime for causing confusion. Further cements my thoughts (scum lean) on Somnus and raises my eyebrow towards TTTT.
Welcome but like...this is such a weird post. I pointed out in my first post that there were a lot of players from newbie 2088 in this game. Then furtive and TTTT very briefly asked about my other game I played on here in which I was scum. I guess in your world I should have just ignored their questions?
In post 102, BigTerp wrote:Sorry, hit submit with my fat thumb before I finished my thoughts.
I've got furtiveglance as a town lean, but am a bit confused with post #92. Are you claiming Town Cop there?
Somnus leaning scum is just an early gut feel.
VOTE: SOMNUS
He made a joke about being mafia role cop and you’re asking if he hard claimed town cop? Am I reading this correctly? I’m having a hard time believing you legit misread things in your catch-up this much.
In post 139, Somnus wrote:Yeah. Like I’m cool with the vote on me, but the logic used behind it, as well as the immediate town-read on furtive (not a shot at furtive, btw) for the exact same thing is absurd. Not to mention thinking that furtive hard-claimed town cop less than 24 hours into the game after jokingly stating he was mafia role cop. Enough about power roles. This is a bad idea.
In post 147, Somnus wrote:Hard hard disagree. Stuff like that (in the first two pages, no less when like 4 people out of 9 were here) helps sort people’s experience/play style. That’s the opposite of confusion. You scum-read me for it but gave the two players asking questions about previous games a null and/or townread for it.
In post 147, Somnus wrote:Hard hard disagree. Stuff like that (in the first two pages, no less when like 4 people out of 9 were here) helps sort people’s experience/play style. That’s the opposite of confusion. You scum-read me for it but gave the two players asking questions about previous games a null and/or townread for it.
We'll have to agree to disagree here. Discussing previous games is unproductive, IMO. Understanding players experience level is a different story and something that is helpful. No need to discuss how someone played previously as Mafia, or vanilla town, etc. though.
So TTTT and furtive get a scum-lean for asking me about my previous scum-game then, correct? And I'd get a town-read if I ignored their questions and told them it wasn't productive? Like...lol what even is this logic.
In post 140, Somnus wrote:Hoping to hear more from lukewarm, Mr Turtle, and Pimpest (as well as for marcistar to join) so I have a complete roster to make initial reads of.
In post 147, Somnus wrote:Hard hard disagree. Stuff like that (in the first two pages, no less when like 4 people out of 9 were here) helps sort people’s experience/play style. That’s the opposite of confusion. You scum-read me for it but gave the two players asking questions about previous games a null and/or townread for it.
We'll have to agree to disagree here. Discussing previous games is unproductive, IMO. Understanding players experience level is a different story and something that is helpful. No need to discuss how someone played previously as Mafia, or vanilla town, etc. though.
So TTTT and furtive get a scum-lean for asking me about my previous scum-game then, correct? And I'd get a town-read if I ignored their questions and told them it wasn't productive? Like...lol what even is this logic.
It was something to get things moving for me early day one. It just seemed odd, as I'm not used to so much discussion about previous games, especially when it directly effects the current game. Maybe it's just that things have changed in that respect since I last played. But especially for a newbie game, I don't see how it's productive. And I certainly am not going to dig back through previous games to try and gain Intel.
That's fine if you choose not to dig through people's ISOs from previous games.
You know what else gets things moving early in Day 1? Discussing people's experience/play-style.
In post 184, furtiveglance wrote:
Lukewarm, if you think I'm playing differently it could be because this is a new game. The first 100 posts had a more jokey/relaxed feel. You should also bear in mind that this is my second game on the site so my playstyle is not yet formed.
Exactly. There were 4 of us here (5 if you include Luke's 1 post) when the game started and we were mostly joking around, as well as me answering questions about the only other game I've played on-site. So I don't understand this notion that I haven't said anything game-related. Everything I've said after the first 12 hours after the game started has been game-related.
Hilariously, asking those questions apparently got you town-read, but answering them got me scum-read because logic.
BigTerp's entrance is "weird" - not scummy.
In post 139, Somnus wrote:Like I’m cool with the vote on me, but the logic used behind it, as well as the immediate town-read on furtive (not a shot at furtive, btw) for the exact same thing is absurd
The "logic used behind" the vote on him is "absurd" but never questioned as scummy / fake.
His whole reaction feels more like scum who thinks they are catching flak for rediculous reasons, then a townie trying to sort through to determine BigTerp's alignment.
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I will keep doing the other people to give a full reads list, but I am happy with
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
Looking at his ISO, I actually think he is town? Which surprised me going in.
The OMGUS vote on Somnus is common coming from a newbie as either alignment, but I feel like newbie scum would less likely to come out and say "Somnus voted me so I returned the favor." 255
"I'll vote, just because everyone else is" 201 also feels like the kind of thing that scum would actively be avoiding trying to say.
I also feel like he does not look like he has a scum buddy. Like in the, he does not look like he has someone talking to him behind the scenes kind of way.
Not a lot going on in the ISO, but this looks more like newbie town then scum to me.
Marci
Marci has promised more content tonight, so I kinda want to hold off comitting to a read on her.
So far her iso could be scum marci, or it could be marci who is busy irl.
Hopefully when she has time tonight, it will be easier to see.
Furtive
I find him scummy, but I also feel like it could be a repeat of last game, where I scum read him REALLY hard. So I am gonna be hedgely on him, and let him sit more in thread for a while I think.
If this was my first game with him, he would likely be a stronger scum read atm
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
In post 308, TTTT wrote:I'm not doing a whole long reads list
not really my thing
and I already said I pretty much completely agree with Turtle's list
right now the day1 elim should be in:
furtive
Luke
Marci
PPP
Luke probably has the charisma to avoid a day1 elim (and is a likely N1 kill if he is town and starts showing it)
furtive I feel pretty confident can be sorted later
so unless something changes (which it probably will with 7 days left) I'd like wagons to build on Marci and PPP
Can you tell me why BigTerp and Somnus are pulled off of you day 1 lim pile
I would really like the answer to this now that I have reviewed the two of them, because... They definitely should not be off the table for you right now
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
Marci is now at E-1.
That means the next vote for Marci is the hammer that ends the day.
Nobody should hammer until first giving "intent to hammer" and allowing Marci to claim a role and to let other players unvote if they aren't ready for the day to end.
An early hammer vote will be taken as a scumclaim.
I really wanted competing wagons
but since people don't wanna vote I'll settle for this
but anyone can respond ig
furtiveglance's answers to my questions in posts 103 & 110 as well as his mindset 114 & 117. To me it seems that he doesn't want to solve the game because it's day 1 and hides between a curtain of meta by saying "but last game we mis-eliminated on day 1!". However his reads list in 131 was good. He does a full 180 following 130 and puts an effort in to solve, it seems. The actual reads list is hedgy, but I attribute that more to newness than scumminess. Tonally I feel like he's been a bit stiff and forced, as I believe you and Lukewarm already previously pointed out (224 or 8, for example). I'll be honest and say that I have little idea whether his newness is clouding my judgement. Currently, I have him as a scum-lean.
