Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[Frozen Angel]

GoldfishFromTheMoon replaces in for MorbidDino. Welcome to the game!

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1-14

marcistar (4)[E1]:

Mr Turtle, GoldfishFromTheMoon, TTTT, BigTerp

Somnus (2):

Lukewarm, PlmPestPlaY

PlmPestPlaY (1):

Somnus

Not Voting (2):

marcistar, furtiveglance

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 15, 5 am GMT.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-15 05:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Lukewarm]

@goldfish

Don't feel like you have to read the entire game before you start talking.

I would prioritize. Reading Marci's iso is probably your most important place to start, she is 1 vote from being eliminated, and you are voting her. Read just her iso, then post your thoughts about her.

Then you can either just start engaging with posts after your rep in, or pick another player (either Somnus for being the second wagon, or someone that caught you attention either in current stuff or while reading Marci's iso)

[Lukewarm]

And welcome to the game

[furtiveglance]

Welcome Goldfish, please don't leave us!

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Hi Everyone,
I'm the new replacement, replacement.

It seems I'm in the awkward situation of replacing into a town slot that looks pretty scummy. Although I think a lot of the scum reading of Alianna wasn't for valid reasons, there were some accusations of not advancing the game and not giving enough reads but I think that's honestly just because she is a new player and wasn't sure how to read the game.

I have played mafia before but mostly IRL and when I have played online it's been with people I know IRL which makes it way easier to read them so this is new for me.

I'm currently formulating a reads list for the game but it's taking a while.

[Lukewarm]

Don't worry too much a out scum reads on you. You are not in any danger of being eliminated here, so you'll have plenty to time to turn reads around.

I would suggest focusing on Marci since you are voting there right now

[TTTT]

welcome Goldfish
we have four days until the end of day1
if you can give us your thoughts within the next 24 hours it would be very helpful
Marci is at E-1 but no claim yet and we will need to resolve that after you catch up

[TTTT]

Goldie
I'm not expecting a novel
don't really wanna read one
just your thoughts on each player
I'd prefer you write up posts as you are catching up, rather than making one or two giant walls
not only is it easier to read, but it makes it easier to follow your thought process as you read the game

[marcistar]

tsk tsk trying to hammer me while im at work? and giving our cutie replacement literally no time to say anything before the hammer?? SMH

if

thry're scum ur giving them and their partner an easy pass to plan out their reads during nightphase

These is one of the more scummy posts I've read this game. I'm still convinced you're scum and believe you are laying low to try and avoid the pressure that's been put on you. You avoided posting for 2 IRL days. If you're work schedule is that tough, I apologize. But you shouldn't have committed to a game like this.

If you're curious, yes I'm dodging thread a bit. (I was actually at work when I made my posts earlier, but tuesday i had a day off, and wednesday i had a shift that ended at like 5pm my time) I've done this as both alignments though.
But literally choosing the exact timing im at work is a moment to me and alot more effort than i wanted to spend at work. took up my whole break t_t

My most recent town game I played was League of Legends where I played as Gragas. To me, after Ashe got a sub, it just felt like I was playing a game of "dodge the prod" because I didn't wanna deal with the tunneling they were doing on me so I just tried to condense it all into one post and then not post again for awhile. While my very most recent scum game was Holiday Dance Party, where I was purposefully trying to post as much as I could considering my schedule, and tried my best to just talk though with people whenever I got suspected. Usually I care alot more when I'm scum cuz it feels like I'm letting down my team, while town has many more people so idc as much!!

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Ok so I initially thought Somnus was the Scummiest player (reading through the start of the game), but reading through Marcistars iso, they seem more suspicious so I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now.

[marcistar]

[marcistar]

what about me is suspicious B)

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

what about me is suspicious B)

Your attitude to getting voted out

A town PR would have claimed by now or at least activly defended themselves which you haven't.

A regular townie would seem more frustrated, you're way too chill, and would probably be trying to get out a readlist or something so that when they flip town and people know they could trust them, the town knows what they were thinking and can find the scum.

However you seem way too relaxed and aren't defending yourself enough - like you are trying not to look like scum who don't want to get voted out.

[TTTT]

Goldie - what about everyone else?
can you give a quick readlist?
with or without explanations is fine
just something we can use as a baseline
would really help out for day2

[TTTT]

UNVOTE:

I don't want a hammer or even a claim until Goldie is caught up

[PlmPestPlaY]

It seems I'm in the awkward situation of replacing into a town slot that looks pretty scummy.

No idea what gave you that impression...

It would be a bit underwhelming if marcistar and GoldfishFromTheMoon turned out to be mafia. Hope GoldfishFromTheMoon is town.

[PlmPestPlaY]

Mr Turtle could you expand on why you scum-read furtiveglance after #1 scum-reading marcistar, who you said made the most well thought out case against furtiveglance?

[Somnus]

They have nothing else to say about the game. I would prefer PPP probably but I'm optimistic that Marcistar is mafia

Nah I have more I could say, yall just aint ready for that conversation

Just curious what this was referring to, Marci.

[Somnus]

Welcome, goodluck, and have fun, Goldfish.

[Somnus]

that slot is probably scum

Why do you say this?

Scum are statistically more likely to rep out then town. Not enough more so that you can reliably use it, but two replacemennts on the same slot this quickly doubles that statistic. It does not bode well for the slot.

Also though, Dino's tenure in the slot was individually kinda bad.

Can you explain the last part? He had 1 post.

[BigTerp]

what about me is suspicious B)

Your attitude to getting voted out

A town PR would have claimed by now or at least activly defended themselves which you haven't.

A regular townie would seem more frustrated, you're way too chill, and would probably be trying to get out a readlist or something so that when they flip town and people know they could trust them, the town knows what they were thinking and can find the scum.

However you seem way too relaxed and aren't defending yourself enough - like you are trying not to look like scum who don't want to get voted out.

I couldn't agree more with this. Hence my thoughts here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13289965, specifically the first 2 sentences.

[BigTerp]

Intent to hammer Marcistar

not yet
I don't even want a claim from marci yet
UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

I don't want a hammer or even a claim until Goldie is caught up

Something to keep in mind if Marci flips scum. TTTT has advocated for competing wagons, and the importance of putting pressure on players via votes. We get Marci to E-1, twice, and each time TTTT removes their vote off of Marci.

[BigTerp]

Pretty solid town reads -

TTTT

- Still seems to be playing the game with gusto and really trying to figure things out. Has been my biggest town read since early on.

Luke

- Was an initial scummy read for me, mostly because lack of participation and odd initial posts, but since then they have come in hard and fast with some good analyzations and also seems to be really trying to figure things out. Their post don't seem contrived or forced. Very town like, to my eyes.

Neutral -

Furtiveglance

- Pretty neutral to slight town read here. They seem to be trying to move the game along and not hide in the shadows. The intent to hammer Marci here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13287587 is not something I feel like scum would do this early in the game. Rather something a town aligned player would do to help moves things along, which is much my same feelings.

Somnus

- I'm having a LOT of trouble reading Somnus for whatever reason. At one point I feel like they are being defensive/squirmy, but at the same time as the game goes on it just seems to be their play style. Even though they've been participating more than others, I would like to hear from them moving forward just to help my own reads.

Mr. Turtle

- This has gone from a fairly strong town lean to a neutral/slight scummy lean. Mostly because of lack of posts. The post they are making are decent, in terms of analytics, but they could be defined as contrived or almost forced. Not really seeming to make any bold posts, or trying to mix things up. Most of them are in alignment with others thoughts, which in and of itself isn't necessarily scummy. But mixed with limited posts it gives me pause. They do have Marcistar as their biggest scum read, which aligns with myself. Pretty much the only thing keeping me from being a full scum read here.

Scum reads -

PPP

- Just some really weird posts throughout, and little participation. I don't necessarily contribute post count to alignment, but when a low post count is combined with fluffy type posts I think scum. PPP's are about as fluffy as anyone's. I'm also confused on their vote on Somnus. They don't really put up much of a reasoning for Somnus, scum read Marcistar, ask others to put votes on Marcistar, yet vote Somnus. REALLY odd string of posts here.

Marcistar

- Still my biggest scum read for reasons I've already mentioned. They've done nothing since to change my mind. And PPP's, mostly indirect, interaction with them has me even more suspicious.

Alianna

- Lost cause at this point. Replacement player is only going to muddy the waters here even more. But, that's the way it goes.

Not a whole lot has changed since my last reads list, but here is where I'm at currently.

LukeWarm

- Pretty solid town read. Seems to really be trying to figure things out and get others involved. Posts don't seem forced or contrived, which is typically a scum tell.

Furtiveglance

- Has gone from null/townish to another solid town read. They have many of the same thoughts as myself in regards to reads, which obviously makes them a townish feel. Their pressure on Marci and intent to hammer, twice now, has me really thinking it's not something scum would be doing this early.

Mr. Turtle

- They have gone from null/scum to null/town. The only thing keeping me from reading them as solid town is lack of participation. Although they aren't contributing as much as others, what they do contribute seems pretty solid. I would love to see more from Mr. Turtle!!

TTTT

- Was my biggest town read for the longest time. Has now moved to null. More of a gut feel than anything, but something is not sitting quite right with me on TTTT lately. I mentioned this about the unvotes https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13290850 and maybe that is what has given me a lot of pause.

PPP

- Nothing has changed with my thoughts on PPP.

Somnus

- Has moved to my scummy list. Posting seems forced with little substance. It's like Somnus is here and participating, but just enough to appear as present and participating. Not giving much thought on their own reads nor others. Good strategy for scum, so if they are flipped there isn't much to go own based on their previous post.

Marcistar

- No changes here. Still my biggest scum read. They've done, literally, nothing to even attempt to change my mind here.

GoldfishFromTheMoon

- Nothing here yet. But I do like the early assessment of Marci and the seemingly eagerness to join the game. I hope they continue to participate. This slot was an early scum read for me, so I'm going to have to try hard to be a little unbiased and hear out GoldfishFromTheMoon a bit more before I make any further assessments.

[Frozen Angel]