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[Titus]

Galron

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skitter30

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Titus

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Datisi

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VOTE: Galron

Maybe here? Skitter was in a lot of scum pools and Galron tends to be a lurker as scum.
It was a problem in Calculasia?

I think pursuing a new wagon is a bad idea. It does nothing to solve the divisions in the game.

[tenebrousluminary]

fireisredsir (1): VP Baltar
Yeet (1): MalcolmTucker
Nero Cain (1): Scorpious

[MathBlade]

Galron

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skitter30

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Titus

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Datisi

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VOTE: Galron

Maybe here? Skitter was in a lot of scum pools and Galron tends to be a lurker as scum.
It was a problem in Calculasia?

I think pursuing a new wagon is a bad idea. It does nothing to solve the divisions in the game.

And I think joining a wagon I TR doesn’t
And people aren’t moving
The only way forward is to get people outside the camp mentality.

New wagons do that.

[MathBlade]

Plus it forces Galron to do something

[MathBlade]

Put another way a majority of the game TRs VP and a majority of the game TRs Scorpious
So by numbers they aren’t happening.

So best to try something new

[VP Baltar]

Put another way a majority of the game TRs VP and a majority of the game TRs Scorpious
So by numbers they aren’t happening.

So best to try something new

I will vote Malcom or scorpious here soon since no one is joining the fire wagon. Kind of want to give them another day or two here to prove towniness.

[Frogsterking]

Put another way a majority of the game TRs VP and a majority of the game TRs Scorpious
So by numbers they aren’t happening.

So best to try something new

I will vote Malcom or scorpious here soon since no one is joining the fire wagon. Kind of want to give them another day or two here to prove towniness.

Give who time to prove towniness?

[fireisredsir]

a majority of the game TRs VP

a majority? April, eyes, dragons, scorpious, I think yeet... who else?

galron and enchant we know nothing about their opinions. malc was positioning weirdly around him but seemed to be leaning towards scumread. cape voted him earlier but thinks he's a little townier now, idk if that's a townread. titus hasn't given a strong read, definitely not a townread tho. idk what your read is atm. the rest are voting him. but at most that's like 6/17, def not a majority

[MathBlade]

a majority of the game TRs VP

a majority? April, eyes, dragons, scorpious, I think yeet... who else?

galron and enchant we know nothing about their opinions. malc was positioning weirdly around him but seemed to be leaning towards scumread. cape voted him earlier but thinks he's a little townier now, idk if that's a townread. titus hasn't given a strong read, definitely not a townread tho. idk what your read is atm. the rest are voting him. but at most that's like 6/17, def not a majority

I literally just said a bunch of times I TRd Nero

I feel like a majority of the game is just checked out rather than talk with each other

[MathBlade]

a majority of the game TRs VP

a majority? April, eyes, dragons, scorpious, I think yeet... who else?

galron and enchant we know nothing about their opinions. malc was positioning weirdly around him but seemed to be leaning towards scumread. cape voted him earlier but thinks he's a little townier now, idk if that's a townread. titus hasn't given a strong read, definitely not a townread tho. idk what your read is atm. the rest are voting him. but at most that's like 6/17, def not a majority

I literally just said a bunch of times I TRd Nero

I feel like a majority of the game is just checked out rather than talk with each other

I TRd VP to Nero

Ebwop

[Frogsterking]

I don't know how to read Galron at all. I'm guessing that's who VP is referring to in 4182

LOL @ the answer in 4053

I don't see anything that's AI to me in the last few pages. I'm guessing most likely overall we hit correctly on fua/ Enchant D1 and their fake claim is kind of slowing the game down right now. That's the most logical way I can describe the way this game has progressed.

I'll reevaluate my townlean on Scorpius and my scumread on VP and post my results if I think my analysis is fruitful.

I think I'll evaluate April and Dragons alignment based on the way their reads flip. I'm going with this approach because I think they can both get good reads as town, I don't think I have any levels on them through "social deduction" and I think they both keep their cards close to their chest as either alignment.

On that note I don't think Nero or fire are keeping their cards to their chest AT ALL this game. For example Nero was like trolling his scumread Dats about their voting patterns and Nero seems to have been pressing people in the hood thread all game which I'm not sure is most scum players first impulse or second impulse to do. 4184 I think is a genuine mistake because I remembered Math voting VP like one time and I couldn't remember Math repeating that they town read VP a bunch of times. I think fire is writing a lot of content and has been doing so since the start of the game pretty consistently, but not so consistently I think they're scum and just making it up; in fact fire seems almost reckless sometimes with their posts and I feel like fire conducts analysis and then just slams it all down on the table.

[fireisredsir]

it wasn't a mistake at all tho, i was counting him in the 6

[VP Baltar]

Put another way a majority of the game TRs VP and a majority of the game TRs Scorpious
So by numbers they aren’t happening.

So best to try something new

I will vote Malcom or scorpious here soon since no one is joining the fire wagon. Kind of want to give them another day or two here to prove towniness.

Give who time to prove towniness?

Malcom and scorpious. Malcom has a few outstanding questions and things to respond to. Scorpious has been catching up since....forever. Neither is my top choice for a lim, but I'm not going to get what I want today and I need to move my vote to a more useful place.

[April Ludgate]

Instead of trying something new, we can try Malcolm. It really hasn't taken off ever. It almost did for a second. I really want to see what happens when it becomes the main wagon.

[April Ludgate]

2) given vpb town, malc sus goes up slightly.

overall, fire gave a very safe answer, but I'm glad it wasn't just this as an answer.

[April Ludgate]

On that note I don't think Nero or fire are keeping their cards to their chest AT ALL this game.

In a way, I disagree with this in regards to Fire, but in a very specific way. Like their last answer explaining the VPB-Malcolm on the last page, they said a lot of their thoughts for sure, but when you look at the meat and potatoes of it, they didn't really pick.

Doesn't make them scum, but it's a reason I'm having a hard time town reading them.

[April Ludgate]

Put another way a majority of the game TRs VP and a majority of the game TRs Scorpious
So by numbers they aren’t happening.

So best to try something new

I will vote Malcom or scorpious here soon since no one is joining the fire wagon. Kind of want to give them another day or two here to prove towniness.

The people that would vote Fire possibly are on the Malcolm wagon right now, and if one of us unvote Malcolm, that wagon's gone, so we gotta stay strong.

[April Ludgate]

The entire Scorpious wagon was on the General Wagon misfade, for what it's worth.

Might need to reevaluate.

Ah, man. I just really don't want VPB to die, I town read him pretty strongly.

[VP Baltar]

Tell you what April, I'll give Malcom today to respond. Lacking that, I'll give you my vote by EOD

[MalcolmTucker]

Tell you what April, I'll give Malcom today to respond. Lacking that, I'll give you my vote by EOD

Afternoon, sorry, busy weekend. All I can really say here is that April's mafia read on me has been inconsistent and just isn't that strong.

April's initial suspicion of me came when I was pushing tenebros a while back after they'd entered the game. Whatever you think of tenebros I don't think my arguments were particularly incorrect or suspicious at all, tenebros was regularly dodging and deflecting questions and just generally wasn't being helpful. At the same time they weren't particularly committing to reads. Their game came across as incredibly suspect and I personally think I was correct to push on that.

Post 3152 from April implies I was backing off tenebros in a way that could seem acceptable if I was mafia and they were town but I'd been incredibly consistent from early in day two that tenebros was suspect but far from confirmed mafia. In a large game where plenty of people have had reads all over the place this seems like a perfectly acceptable line to take, and I'm not sure why I was targeted so strongly for wavering when players like Yeet, tenebros and others have done the same in worse circumstances.

As I've mentioned before, in post 3473 April mentions "shooting their shot" too early on me. This is important because it suggests their initial mafia read was a bit of a lazy one which was based more on initial vibes than actually reading back through the game and trying to deduce who is mafia and who isn't. I'm accused of "pandering to the popular choice" but again I don't think this particularly lines up with how I've approached the game so far for the most part.

And again, I'm certainly far from the worst in this regard when there are other players who have opportunistically thrown their vote onto easy wagons without giving an explanation for doing so. Why am I the target here, for reasonable interrogations of players who I think might be mafia? The suggestion seems to be I need to be a lot more forthright and definitive in who I suspect but this again seems like a silly reason to push for me when there are players who have been much worse in this regard when it comes to inactivity. It's perfectly reasonable for townies to occasionally change their mind on a player or to be open to persuasion. That's good town-play.

Again in post 3705 April says there's not a strong case against me and yet I've been by far their most consistent push. I think it's fine to have a read based on vibes and to push a player who's had a lack of suspicion so far, but this just doesn't line up with a deliberate and continuous push for my elimination. In turn two you should really not be pushing to eliminate a player you don't have at least a somewhat strong read on. Even above you can see April's frustration the wagon against me hasn't taken off, but have they taken a moment to maybe evaluate why that is the case?

And the end result is I don't think this case against me is particularly genuine or well thought-out. It feels as if April read a couple of my posts early on, decided I was mafia, and has since tried to make the evidence fit that instead of the other way around. I'm expected to respond here to the case against me, for example, but what is the actual case against me? And if there isn't really one and this is all based on a hunch, why am I being targeted instead of a more inactive player who's given across similar vibes?

[MalcolmTucker]

Anyway, regarding players other than myself, I still think a wagon on Scorpious this turn isn't a particularly good idea, their play hasn't been great but it's felt lazy and overly convenient whenever it has come up.

My two main choices would be Yeet and tenebros, but both of them look safe for now and so I wouldn't be against a YPB wagon if it looks like our best option.

It's a difficult one because I don't particularly TR all of our newer turn two/end of turn one replace-ins but it may be a bit premature to get rid of them.

I can't figure out if April's reads of me are just persistent townie who's in the wrong or mafia trying to throw townies under the bus for their own convenience. Like I say their read of me hasn't been consistent or genuine but some of their posts (like admitting they don't have a solid case for me) don't exactly feel like how a forensic mafia player approaches the game.

[Galron]

I'm here. Don't kick me out yet. I forgot I repped.

[Galron]

Why the Baltar and Scorpious wagons?

UNVOTE:

[Scorpious]

Why the Baltar and Scorpious wagons?

UNVOTE:

I’m so ungodly behind and have been open about it. I’m an easy mis lim. And waaaaaay back I claimed VT FYI.

[Scorpious]

And honestly haven’t been able to do any scum hunting with the amount of activity going on here and in my real life.

Put me in your useless town column. For now..