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Official Votecount 3.2

VP Baltar (2): MathBlade, Nero Cain

[E-6]

April Ludgate (1): Save The Dragons
Frogsterking (1): VP Baltar
Titus (1): fireisredsir
Eyes without a face (1): Cape90

Not Voting (9): Frogsterking, Scorpious, DeasVail, Titus, Enchant, Galron, Eyes without a face, April Ludgate, tenebrousluminary

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2022-03-25 22:15:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

[VP Baltar]

Plus I'm sure those are not even great examples. That's just me casually looking at his ISO

they are very not great examples and you cannot say "look i proved this!" without having great examples. if you come back later with great examples then ill be more interested in what you have to say

Well, I'm not saying they are terrible examples either. Open his iso and look at the way he talks about Malcom if you want. It's not hard to find. I have some posts marked in NY notes, but I'm off my computer for the night. Definitely will have to be tomorrow before I go fetch that.

[Nero Cain]

why is everyone ignoring that psychologists get negative results on people who have already killed and therefore do not necessarily imply that there is a traitor

i wouldn't be THAT surprised to see a traitor but eh

or maybe I'm not understanding? Team mafia would still retain their kill ability and "would get is capable of killing." It would be JOATS and x-shot vigs/sks (and town and mafia traitor) that would get is "not capable of killing or has already killed."

[Nero Cain]

Definitely will have to be tomorrow before I go fetch that.

Why did these great examples not make it in your case?

[fireisredsir]

someone from the mafia team always carries out the kill, right? the person who did would then show up neg to a psychologist. i thought that was like the whole idea behind the role

wiki:

It does however have a drawback: if a player has already killed, the Psychologist can no longer discern whether this player is capable of doing so.

[MathBlade]

someone from the mafia team always carries out the kill, right? the person who did would then show up neg to a psychologist. i thought that was like the whole idea behind the role

wiki:

It does however have a drawback: if a player has already killed, the Psychologist can no longer discern whether this player is capable of doing so.

I was going from the exact wording of role PM versus wiki.

Might help to privately ask the mods how that would work.

Since this is a normal you’re probably right.

But regardless I really want Galron or VP.

If scum had their pick of three wagons EoD someone woulda been hammered.

[fireisredsir]

Well, I'm not saying they are terrible examples either. Open his iso and look at the way he talks about Malcom if you want. It's not hard to find. I have some posts marked in NY notes, but I'm off my computer for the night. Definitely will have to be tomorrow before I go fetch that.

very excited to see your better examples!! i did look through his ISO, obviously, and your not great ones are the closest that i could find to support the narrative that you're pushing. he p consistently liked the malc wagon the least out of all the leading wagons, and consistently thought that scum were pushing it

[Nero Cain]

I am not sure if he said so last day phase or not but in the hood overnight VP was talking about how he thought Malcolm was going to town flip while vote parking that for most of the day. Your thoughts Fire?

[fireisredsir]

If scum had their pick of three wagons EoD someone woulda been hammered.

what's the logic there? if all 3 wagons are town wouldn't scum be more likely to just let them sit and let a town hammer? and alternatively if 1 or 2 of the wagons are scum wouldn't malcolm have been hammered faster?

[MathBlade]

If scum had their pick of three wagons EoD someone woulda been hammered.

what's the logic there? if all 3 wagons are town wouldn't scum be more likely to just let them sit and let a town hammer? and alternatively if 1 or 2 of the wagons are scum wouldn't malcolm have been hammered faster?

Mainly the longer all three town wagons sit the more likely town wakes up and then notices it

It’s more likely one of the wagons is scum given the resistance

[April Ludgate]

I’m totally fine dying today.

I’m VT.

If anyone thinks I’m scum who would actively kill Yeet, my number 1 supporter, lol.

[VP Baltar]

Well, I'm not saying they are terrible examples either. Open his iso and look at the way he talks about Malcom if you want. It's not hard to find. I have some posts marked in NY notes, but I'm off my computer for the night. Definitely will have to be tomorrow before I go fetch that.

very excited to see your better examples!! i did look through his ISO, obviously, and your not great ones are the closest that i could find to support the narrative that you're pushing. he p consistently liked the malc wagon the least out of all the leading wagons, and consistently thought that scum were pushing it

I'm not saying it was his stated preferred wagon. I don't think you're exactly getting what I'm saying here, and I'm sure that's on me. The point is him being OK with it without backing it. I'm not sure what you think I'm saying.

[VP Baltar]

I’m totally fine dying today.

I’m VT.

If anyone thinks I’m scum who would actively kill Yeet, my number 1 supporter, lol.

I don't get this post at all

[MathBlade]

I’m totally fine dying today.

I’m VT.

If anyone thinks I’m scum who would actively kill Yeet, my number 1 supporter, lol.

I’d much rather you answer my questions and check my mech spec out that there’s like two scum in that hood.

[April Ludgate]

Scum are actively going to want my wagon for the day, the Yeet kill takes even more protection off of me.

Yeah, I’ll go today instead of VPB. Listen to my reads post death, was wrong on Malcolm, but guarantee I had some scum.

I’ll be gone for a few days, I’ll try to pop in here and there, but yeah.

I had fun this game. Malcolm town flip basically means I die, I get it.

[Nero Cain]

naw, lets vote the scum pr not the goon

[Nero Cain]

I am not sure if he said so last day phase or not but in the hood overnight VP was talking about how he thought Malcolm was going to town flip while vote parking that for most of the day. Your thoughts Fire?

[April Ludgate]

I’m totally fine dying today.

I’m VT.

If anyone thinks I’m scum who would actively kill Yeet, my number 1 supporter, lol.

I don't get this post at all

Okay, so Yeet and I were locked at the hip basically, by killing Yeet, i actively have even less support on my side making my fade much easier.

And there’s the argument of “that’s why you would kill Yeet!”

Okay, sure, but when you look at the playing field with players like Nero, STD, and Math ready to go down my neck, killing someone like Yeet is actively bad scum play, but people don’t understand how actual scum play.

And it’s all WIFOM slot, and I understand that my being alive is hard for people to get actual reads, so my flip becomes incredibly beneficial to understanding the gamestate harder.

So while I’ll fight for my defense, if I use some empathy for other townies, I can’t disagree that I’m not a good fade.

Would I eventually be able to solve this game? Probably, but so could other players, and for me to do so, I’d need something to get players to trust me, and because I’m out of town until like Saturday night, and then I have a lot of work to do from Fiverr I have to get done Saturday/Sunday/Monday, I’m going to be limited as is.

I’ll try to do some wagonomics.

From past games, me tunneling a townie to death is usually a key to me actively being able to get put on the right direction, but I’m not going to have the trust of this town + my number 1 guy Yeet died.

[April Ludgate]

I’m totally fine dying today.

I’m VT.

If anyone thinks I’m scum who would actively kill Yeet, my number 1 supporter, lol.

I’d much rather you answer my questions and check my mech spec out that there’s like two scum in that hood.

I’ll read up when I can. I’m at the movie theatres, and I’ll be limited the next few days.

(I see every movie basically, big cinephile.)

[April Ludgate]

If scum had their pick of three wagons EoD someone woulda been hammered.

what's the logic there? if all 3 wagons are town wouldn't scum be more likely to just let them sit and let a town hammer? and alternatively if 1 or 2 of the wagons are scum wouldn't malcolm have been hammered faster?

Scum might have wanted the Malcolm wagon to chain fade me.

Unless Yeet was PR checked, that definitely was a kill to weaken my position further than it already was going to be past the Malcolm flip.

Unfortunately, I did think especially near the end that Malcolm would flip town, I was just hoping that was me getting cold feet.

But like I said, me tunneling a town to death generally gets me on the right track.

[Nero Cain]

Scum might have wanted the Malcolm wagon to chain fade me.

Unless Yeet was PR checked, that definitely was a kill to weaken my position further than it already was going to be past the Malcolm flip.

christ, get over yourself.

[fireisredsir]

I am not sure if he said so last day phase or not but in the hood overnight VP was talking about how he thought Malcolm was going to town flip while vote parking that for most of the day. Your thoughts Fire?

mmm he didn't really take a stance on malc (mostly saying stuff like "ill read April's case later") until 4000, and for a while it was kinda "not my biggest scumread but it's worth taking a chance on". 4230 he votes there, and says it is a lim that will give the most info. 4432, talking to malc, he's "not very sold" on him being scum, and also says that his own lim would be better for town than malc's. he votes galron right after. re-votes malc in 4490 after the yeet soft. next spends a while seeming to be considering the world where him and malc are both town. 4686 says that malc is the best flip. that's about it.

so did he think malc was likely to flip town? yea, kinda believable, he was on the fence p much the whole time, and seemed to be leaning town slightly. did he votepark there most of the day? his vote was there for like 95% of the final 48 hours of the day, so eh kinda. is that different from how he would act if he was town in that situation? ehhh idk. imo if there's something scummy about how he interacted with malc, it's how he was acting like he was willing to die and sacrifice himself while pushing malc at the same time

[April Ludgate]

do you think anyone should be held responsible for the Malcolm wagon?

Yes.

Me.

Scum did abuse my tunnel well, of course.

I do agree with the possibility of Titus scum, but i don’t want to jump to that conclusion. Also, I won’t be leading at all today.

I do wanna give Titus some benefit of the doubt, though. They had just replaced in not too long before, and was forced to deal with the different wagons, so I can see a world she’s town. But we have plenty of time to talk, and for her to help clear if she is town.

[April Ludgate]

Scum might have wanted the Malcolm wagon to chain fade me.

Unless Yeet was PR checked, that definitely was a kill to weaken my position further than it already was going to be past the Malcolm flip.

christ, get over yourself.

Self love best kinda love

[April Ludgate]

MalcolmTucker (9): Eyes without a face,

Yeet

, April Ludgate, Scorpious,

Galron

, VP Baltar, Titus, fireisredsir,

MathBlade

the 4 scum are here.

I'm giving scorp some leeway since he's tene's town read he's just sorta LHF that scum could try to mislim.

but between April, VP, Eyes, Titus and Fire is prob the scum team.

There are never 4 scum on this wagon.
2-3 max.