Mini 2270: Spring Fling!

[Ydrasse]

have a big ol feeling at least one mafia is doing the “i will be frank about not knowing what to say or think or do and i want to survive.”

This feels like an exact summary of Lukewarm, but who are the other people you are referencing here?

I can

maybe

see thus applying to Nora?

you noraa bell

[Bell]

I have some thoughts on some of the recent postings that I think I should sit on until I'm in a pt or facing being left behind.

This isn’t a good idea. My actual position on neighborhoods when you don’t know your partners alignment is the same as what I said in shakesphere mafia. I think most scum gain an advantage in neighborhoods versus main threads. For *points at arguments made in that game I can’t bother to repeat them all*

[fireisredsir]

i think myko had some similar vibes to that even if it isn't exactly the same

ok nvm no he didn't

[Lukewarm]

I have some thoughts on some of the recent postings that I think I should sit on until I'm in a pt or facing being left behind.

This isn’t a good idea. My actual position on neighborhoods when you don’t know your partners alignment is the same as what I said in shakesphere mafia. I think most scum gain an advantage in neighborhoods versus main threads. For *points at arguments made in that game I can’t bother to repeat them all*

Mala is not in my scum pile, and if mala is scum, then my thoughts are moot. I am happy to sit on it for now.

[Bell]

There are 3 angles there and you’re just insisting the third one doesn’t exist through sheer bluster.

Eh.

[Lukewarm]

Hmmm. I don't want Noraa and Datisi paired.

If we are leaving Dunn behind, I think I want

Me+Mala
Noraa+Fire
Ceph+Datisi.

If Noraa is being left behind, I would want

Me+Mala
Dunn+Datisi
Cehp+Fire

[Noraa]

I don't want Noraa and Datisi paired.

why

[Lukewarm]

There are 3 angles there and you’re just insisting the third one doesn’t exist through sheer bluster.

Eh.

I meant that I would share it in the main thread Day 2.

If Mala is town, I think that it is better to not say my current thoughts today, and I can drop it in our PT over night, and it can always make it to the main thread day 2.

If Mala is scum, my original theory is bad and wrong, so it doesn't matter.

What is the 3rd angle that you are saying that I am ignoring?

[Bell]

Third angle is that you’re scum and you’re putting your trust in Mala early to win points with her. Before trying to scoop her in your neighborhood with effort. Your thoughts are only moot because you either as town refuse to consider that your thoughts don’t help scum with their positioning which is (???) or you’re just posturing as scum without really thinking about it and hoping that confidence pushes you through the argument.

If Mala is town I don’t really think that will work because, uh, she’s malakittens. *waves hand* it’s possible she’s different than forever ago, but she’s a paranoid kitty and one of the more likely players to suddenly leave if they see red flags and you don’t dissuade them enough.

[Bell]

Oh.

[Datisi]

i'm debating whether i should be pretending to care and iso EvEryOnE or do the more realistic thing of just zooming through noraa and dunn and MAYBE lukewarm if mala doesn't insta-accept

[Bell]

I’m against arranged marriages on principal. Even though I think I would say the exact same thing if I were scum because ugh, self awareness is a curse sometimes. *burns out*

[Lukewarm]

Hmmm. I don't want Noraa and Datisi paired.

If we are leaving Dunn behind, I think I want

Me+Mala
Noraa+Fire
Ceph+Datisi.

If Noraa is being left behind, I would want

Me+Mala
Dunn+Datisi
Cehp+Fire

I am realizing that there are too many moving parts for me to try and get it to where someone can hammer one option or the other. So, I can't really orcastrate this choice, and that is frustrating.

Me+Mala, and then Noraa+Fire, giving Dats the hammer between Ceph and Dunn might be the closest things that I can see. But, I don't really see Fire agreeing to that because he was scum reading Noraa.

[Prism]

won't be around until tomorrow

[Bell]

1. Noraa has been unique this game. A lot less aggri, a lot more organized, they gave themselves a time limit of 20 pages and I’m used to them just solving solving solving. So it feels out of character. I’m also not sure what to make of their instant collapse into self-recrimination about a dunn town flip, since they don’t actually do that when they’re town until after the flip and sometimes not even then if I remember correctly. It’s possible it’s designed just to look like they don’t know. On the other hand, they set themselves up as the Dunn expert so it’s a unique situation. I don’t think their credibility will be shot as much as they think, but I also don’t even know why I’m saying this because goddamn, if there’s one thing I don’t need more of this game it’s town reads.

[Bell]

1. Noraa has been unique this game. A lot less aggri, a lot more organized, zir gave themselves a time limit of 20 pages and I’m used to them just solving solving solving. So it feels out of character. I’m also not sure what to make of zir instant collapse into self-recrimination about a dunn town flip, since zir don’t actually do that when they’re town until after the flip and sometimes not even then if I remember correctly. It’s possible it’s designed just to look like zir don’t know. On the other hand, zir set themselves up as the Dunn expert so it’s a unique situation. I don’t think zir credibility will be shot as much as zir thinks, but I also don’t even know why I’m saying this because goddamn, if there’s one thing I don’t need more of this game it’s town reads.

[Datisi]

while i was on a walk, it did occur to me how if i accepted noraa, i could potentially do the same neighbourhood strategy i did last dance game, so luke i'd love to know why you oppose that pairing, and if it's anything else than reading the two of us as different alignments

actually you said you were rethinking your scumread of zir so like idk

[Datisi]

I think pairing with Dats knowing that I am his top scum read just kills me day 2

also this isn't true, you were my top scumread from the remaining gents, which is like a third of the game and you're definitely not first on my shitlist

[Datisi]

okay, so i reread the dunnstral iso and it's definitely not as townie as i wanted to think

there are a few posts that i think are good, like calling out the ez bell townreads felt like a mindmeld, and overall explaining reads (which is not something i'm used to seeing from dunn) felt townie because i feel like it shows transparentness that's more likely to come from town

but the thing that's my problem here is that dunn still feels very low impact? like, they're putting in the effort of posting reads and asking questions, but i'm not sure i can actually see the desire to... drive the game in a certain direction, like i'm not sure i see a single question they asked that impacted their reads or made them push somewhere or like, did *anything* in their mind

not the worst iso but i definitely can see this flipping red now

[Datisi]

do noraa and dunn have history and is ze usually able to read them well?

[Bell]

Noraa can you explain your change in attitude and general approach this game?
What’s the game plan? Why were you more mature this game than usual? What changed in how you decided to respond to people?
Why do you seem a little bit sad at the beginning of the game? Why did you delay your solving? Why did you try to present yourself as patient at the beginning of the game? Why did you ask for a truce with Andante? What do you think of Ydrasse right now?

I’m not sure if any of these questions will help me reach the right conclusions but it’s worth a shot.

[Bell]

do noraa and dunn have history and is ze usually able to read them well?

Yes. They’ve been consistently good about reading them. I have no idea if it’s luck. Given their reasoning has been down right terrible sometimes. But they were still right anyway. So *wiggles hands*

[Datisi]

oh, okay

that makes more sense as to why noraa seems to be that focused on dunn and why ze's picking at the miniscule point in his posting that doesn't seem to even reach my brain

[Bell]

I mean, I already explained why I find dunn scum plausible.
Primarily because while he always jumps on the complain train when I get town binned as a word of caution.
Some of his questions have down right sucked and I associate that specifically with scum Dunn because he did that one whole time and thus it is always true from now until the end of time.

[fireisredsir]

fire can you not accept that offer quite yet?

im going to be leaving soon and will likely not be able to be super caught up until monday. i currently see no reason not to accept besides that you asked me to wait, i want ceph over all the other remaining gentlemen

is there anything specific you were waiting for