Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

[Aristeia]

shhh just go with it

[Aristeia]

nod and smile

[Enchant]

So vig shot me? Nah.

[Enchant]

I am bad for target practice.

[Aristeia]

why do you even think there is a vig Enchant?

[Aristeia]

Does anyone actually think Enchant is townie

I do

VOTE: Enchant

^_^

Unvote, or you will be night killed.

also what does this mean

why would prism be nightkilled for voting you.

[Enchant]

Does anyone actually think Enchant is townie

I do

VOTE: Enchant

^_^

Unvote, or you will be night killed.

also what does this mean

why would prism be nightkilled for voting you.

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[Aristeia]

I don't get it

[Enchant]

呪い

[Aristeia]

is this something mechanical or are you just trolling me

[Enchant]

Sigh.


It was joke.

[Aristeia]

can you vote for Prism with me please?

[Enchant]

I think we need vote Dwlee99, why i should vote prism

[Aristeia]

why is dwlee mafia?

[Enchant]

Because i think so

In real people don't agree to kill ppl who they townread, due mech reason (trashy one actually), i for example scumread person if there's mech reason to think they are evil.

[Aristeia]

why do you think dwlee is mafia

[Enchant]

Because these thoughts are fake

[Aristeia]

which thoughts of dwlee's are fake?

[Enchant]

I think Prism is mildly townie but I wouldn't mind flipping cause ascetic claim + scary + novice mailman

their tilt

no uh I liked their read on Enchant but only if enchant is actually town.

I am willing to vote prism

[Enchant]

Let's go from opposite.

Why i need to vote prism again?

[Aristeia]

Let's go from opposite.

Why i need to vote prism again?

I think Prism is mafia because of mechanics and dayplay.



Mechanically speaking - I don't think it makes sense to have a town novice mailman and a town ascetic in a micro - you're setting up a very natural conflict to occur almost immediately because the mailman will think they are supposed to catch the ascetic and the ascetic is actually a mafia ascetic - you are immediately putting the town down one elim a large number of times and I don't see how you can compensate the town with another PR to offset this in a micro since our margin of error is very slim - we functionally usually only get 3 mislims total.

Also I don't think the setup makes sense for a town ascetic and a mafia ascetic because town ascetic claiming on D1 is going to draw out the mailman claim which then can't really find the mafia ascetic because the mailman will just get killed at night.

also novice mailman is an extremely weak role - functionally the only thing it can do is find a mafia ascetic that did not claim. You can't really set up a code to exchange claim or fake claim since by the time the message is sent, you're at D3 which is elo if we do not hit a mafia in d1/d2.

also like novice mailman is not a role that when claimed makes you town or w/e - it's not like a friendly neighbor or a mason in terms of power level that can prove itself.

I think in Micros, the power level of the town roles should be usually mason equivalent - as in 2 masons v 2 mafia 5 VT is a baseline level of balance.

so I just have trouble believing that a novice mailman role would have no utility or be purposefully a red herring to get a TvT conflict on D1 it's just silly in terms of balancing a micro. I can see a miller in a larger game like a Mini or a Large but in a Micro it just feels much too scumsided for me to accept.

Why does Prism claim ascetic as a mafia ascetic? - I think she has some expectation that she will be targeted at night. She enjoys playing mafia but she absolutely hates mechanical guilties with a passion - I think she has a strong enough reputation that nearly any TPR worth their salt would target her on night one and she knows this - I think she decided to claim it because why not? I don't think she expected a role as niche as "novice mailman" to exist on the TPR side - mechanically it pigeonholes her slot as mafia - that's why her initial kneejerk reaction was to hardpush me as mafia who was headhunting her etc by making up such a claim. I don't think I'm nearly creative enough to make up such a role to target her because I'm not a very bright person.

I am unsure exactly why she switched tack later on in the day - I believe she thinks maybe it is difficult to flip me or perhaps I would leave her alone if she townreads me and uses AtE.

On her dayplay I think she is decidedly less sharp than she usually is and it feels like she's more in anti-spew mode where she's just bantering and having fun rather than actually trying to push/hunt seriously which I know she is extremely good at.

I think she's taken this line of play as scum rather than her usual extremely strong and thread dominant style because she knows that I have certain expectations of how she plays mafia and she is trying to get townread off of indifference[yes I actually townread her when she's bored and joking I know it's stupid]

The overall feeling I get from reading her play this game is that she's more interested in surviving, giving few hints about associatives and not really interested in actually pushing/killing anyone she suspects, she feels like she is browsing through a brochure for like which hat to wear.

[Aristeia]

also if she flips town ascetic I will hate myself and go throw up in a bucket; but I think I will regret it much more if she is mafia and I let her get away on D1 again and I just think she is mafia here.

if the overall decision is to not flip prism's slot and she is mafia but I at least tried I think I can have some comfort in that.

I am not going to stamp my feet and pout if I don't get my way if you all have better ideas about where to go I am fine taking a back seat for this decision - it just feels like we are not really going anywhere at the moment.

[Aristeia]

I think Prism is mildly townie but I wouldn't mind flipping cause ascetic claim + scary + novice mailman

their tilt

no uh I liked their read on Enchant but only if enchant is actually town.

I am willing to vote prism

you will have to explain to me why this sequence of thoughts from dwlee rings fake to you.

[Enchant]

I need to consider this

[Datisi]

skitter:

Lean scum on fireisred and am willing to vote there.


Lean scum on fireisred and am willing to vote there.

No offense but ur reads are p bad this game

also skitter:

I would be very interested in a dwlee or dats wagon

there is something really interesting(?) about skitter saying i'm having nonstop existential dread or whatever when it's like, pretty known that pester people about their reads on me when i don't get them or when i feel like they shouldn't have those reads if they were town

i am trying my best not to go back into loltunneling skitter because i know she can't really read me very well but uhh