KTaNE [game over!]

[Menalque]

Can you show me where mena 180’d

dwlee's entire scum case revolves around me switching over the course of one night from (null, null, scum) on (them, strange, Baltar) to (scum, scum, town) the next day

[Menalque]

(dwlee, pooky, misty/ceph/titus)?

[Menalque]

okay misty we need to have a real talk when ur back about if ur scum or limbait this game

[Enchant]

just from a risk mitigation standpoint shouldn't we just flip VPB

if he's town then mafia are nowhere close to winning and we kill dwlee tomm

and if he's mafia then yah dead scum whooohoooo

BUT WE GET SAME INFO IF WE KILL DWLEE99

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what are the odds in your head rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything

[Enchant]

what are the odds in your head rn

I don't care about odds, kick Dwle99.

[Enchant]

I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything

IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?

[Datisi]

vote count 5.04

• with
  12
  votes in play, it takes
  7
  to make a decision.
  
• day 5 ends in
  (expired on 2022-04-27 00:30:00)
  .
  
• 3
  players who have the most nominations will be bomb experts on n5.

execution:

VP Baltar [5]:

Dwlee99, Andante, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear

Dwlee99 [2]:

Menalque, VP Baltar

not voting [5]:

Mistyx, GuiltyLion, Titus, Bell, Enchant

bomb expert nominations:

Cat Scratch Fever [3]:

Menalque, Dwlee99, Cephrir

Andante [2]:

Dwlee99, Cat Scratch Fever

Menalque [2]:

Enchant, VP Baltar

Bell [2]:

Dwlee99, Cephrir

GuiltyLion [1]:

Menalque

not nominating [6]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Andante, Mistyx, GuiltyLion, Titus, Bell

ineligible to be nominated:

VP Baltar, Dwlee99, Cephrir, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear

mod notes:

• Menalque v/la weekends.
  
• the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.

[Dwlee99]

I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything

IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?

Okay but just flip scum instead? Also if I flipped scum that actually wouldn't tell you VP's alignment

[Dwlee99]

Can you show me where mena 180’d
I got lost.

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]

Strange > dwlee > baltar

Could be strange and dwlee I guess, but that’s my preference for limming them

CSF, GL, bell, ceph, VPB all town

Pooky, Andy, enchant prob town?

Misty still scum

Titus can be scum, and is likely to be scum if only 1 in strange and dwlee

VOTE: strange

This post combined with what Menalque said here:

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]

vote count 3.03

• with
  16
  votes in play, it takes
  9
  to make a decision.
  
• day 3 ends in
  (expired on 2022-04-18 21:00:00)
  .
  
• 3
  players who have the most nominations will be bomb experts on n3.

execution:

Malakittens [6]:

Dwlee99, Cephrir, VP Baltar, Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion

VP Baltar [4]:

Enchant, Menalque, Andante, Greeting

Dwlee99 [1]:

StrangeMatter

not voting [5]:

Mistyx, Andresvmb, Titus, Malakittens, Bell

bomb expert nominations:

VP Baltar [4]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Cephrir

Dwlee99 [2]:

GuiltyLion, Enchant

Titus [1]:

Enchant

Malakittens [1]:

Enchant

StrangeMatter [1]:

Enchant

not nominating [12]:

Andante, Mistyx, VP Baltar, Dwlee99, Greeting, Andresvmb, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, Malakittens, StrangeMatter, Bell

ineligible to be nominated:

Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir, Bell, Mistyx, GuiltyLion

mod notes:

• Menalque v/la weekends.
  
• the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.

Was thinking this was weird if my reads are accurate but it could just be that scum weren’t around and figured piling onto the Baltar wagon would look really bad if mala went through anyway/went through today

Are what made me worried. Okay, it wasn't quite what Menalque said here, but rather the vote count he was quoting that showed him voting VPB combined with now thinking that VPB was completely town all of a sudden. He also came into today with this to say:

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]

Why were dwlee and strange experted?

Compare that to

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]

my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die

Look through Menalque's ISO from this "baltar needs to die" to complaining about me and strange being experted, but not baltar, there is no progression in between there. Which is why I immediately unvoted and:

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]

UNVOTE:
Don't want day to end

Does anyone think it'd be weird for strange to choose to blow up the bomb when she knows she is extremely likely to be the one accused for and limmed for it?

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]

Menalque: why were you voting VPB yesterday? Why are you townreading him now? Why do you scumread me and strange more than him?

Eventually got Menalque to say this:

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]

Yeah, I saw dwlee, I just don’t really feel like engaging on it atm

It would be helpful for me if you answered that

In the barest of bones— it was less related to finding VPB actively scummy and more to do with paranoia around him being defuser twice

But I just think he reads as town, and that goes with how I felt about him in the PT, and I realised it was at least partly ego — I didn’t want to be the one who called VPB town only for him to single handedly win for scum by defusing 4 times

But fuck it, if he’s scum, he’s played really well and he’s fooled me

[...]

3.) Menalque's progression on VP reeks of scum angling to get us (Strange/me) mislimmed. I mean, he literally came into the day complaining that we were made experts after the bomb had exploded, when really if town he should be considering VP the most suspicious given his previous thoughts that Baltar needs to die. It seems to me like he pushed Baltar for the bus cred on Day 3, but on Day 4 he now had to follow the new plan of getting as many townies killed before Baltar's flip.

[Dwlee99]

Pooky said the scum team was trying to kill VP Baltar by adding him to the defusals repeatedly.
Now he’s just speaking the scum party line that he argued first.

This does give me paranoia that pooky is bussing a little bit but I have to read his ISO to review if he has reasons he townreads me now/scumreads VPB

[Dwlee99]

Btw Datisi said it could be possible that there is a scum role that can blow up a bomb without being in the expert pt

I do not want to believe this because that would be fucking stupid

[Bell]

Yes, yes it would be.

[Bell]

It’s sad I have to say this, but that was not me being informed that this was in fact the case and I am not in fact scum.

[Dwlee99]

VP flipped his read on me because I didn't understand how the words he saying made any sense in response to what I was saying. I've since gone through and shown how what he was saying wasn't even relevant to what I said in 4658, but then he just skipped that post and continued calling me scum

[Dwlee99]

@Bell, here are some direct quotes from Mena that display what I'm talking about. These are linked in my wall but I think only the second one is quoted in full

My current reads (update):

town: Andante, Greeting, Andres, GL, Bell, CSF, Ceph, VP Baltar, enchant

null town: pooky
null for lack of engagement with them: Strange, mala, dwlee

good odds of scum: Titus

scum: misty, frog

***

pedit: appreciate the thought, Andres, but I was an expert last night and am therefore ineligible

Why were dwlee and strange experted?

[Enchant]

I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything

IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?

Okay but just flip scum instead? Also if I flipped scum that actually wouldn't tell you VP's alignment

You maybe win against VP (and most likely will), but on next day you are toast.

[Dwlee99]

my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die

VOTE: baltar

Why were dwlee and strange experted?

Pretend second two were linked last post

[Dwlee99]

I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything

IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?

Okay but just flip scum instead? Also if I flipped scum that actually wouldn't tell you VP's alignment

You maybe win against VP (and most likely will), but on next day you are toast.

I'm more likely to draw a night kill or a bomb on me than to be limmed

[VP Baltar]

I don’t think anyone made a mistake with the bomb and I think the scum team blew up the doc and this argument is terrible and remains terrible.

I've already demonstrated its not terrible though, based upon what we have seen with how the scum can mess with the bomb PTs.

Dwlee thinks the mod is a liar....which is actually silly. So we can lim dwlee then, but I'm telling you that fmpov, something weird is happening.

[VP Baltar]

I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything

IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?

Vote dwlee.

[Menalque]

my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die

VOTE: baltar

Why were dwlee and strange experted?

Pretend second two were linked last post

I do stand by pooky definitely needing to die if baltar!scum

[Enchant]

I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything

IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?

Vote dwlee.

Wow, you realised?

[Menalque]

Bell, who are your preferences for experts?