Mini 2270: Spring Fling!

[mykonian]

i don't know what "mostly around mala" refers to

Some of my townreads came more together after the Mala flip and through her interactions.

[Andante]

andante, do you know the difference between genuine and correct

yeah, but like Ceph’s SR on me makes no sense, doesn’t feel like he actually SRs me either

i read through the pages i missed and i was (maybe foolishly) hoping i would get why you went from townreading him to scumreading him and like i'm not sure i get it

why is ceph scum, pls no "read on me isn't genuine" or something similarly vague like that

Yeah so there's a bunch of parts to it, but it's a very recent read, like, the top thing to me, is probably just, yesterday I was talking to fire like "you and ceph have basically 0 interactions here, looks like you TR each other, making 0 effort to read each other..." and hey, to me that's a huge red flag..

Then last night the 2 were talking to each other in the thread, like "what do you think of the no kill" and fire was like " I already said..."
That just looked like forced interaction here to me... like, it read to me as scum!ceph seeing I was noticing that they're not interacting here, then Ceph trying to interact... and fire's "I already said..." like, that just shows Ceph isn't even trying to read fire...

Then this morning I had the thought about how if maf killed... fire was probably getting taken by whoever... since that was very popular yesterday... meaning scum!ceph literally can't kill anyone

And yeah, Ceph talks to me like he knows I'm town, yet he's voting me and is all "I'm voting scum" when asked...


So yeah, I think Ceph is mafia here, he's not really trying to find scum, and he's not even trying to read his partner, cause he needs his partner to stay alive...

[Andante]

my attention is currently on ginnie, cephrir, and dunnstral

I'm not 100% sold on Ginngie's alignment right now, but I understand her plan right now (after she explained it lol) I very well might be pocketed by her... Has Cephrir even talked about Ginngie/Prism once?

[Cephrir]

andante, do you know the difference between genuine and correct

yeah, but like Ceph’s SR on me makes no sense, doesn’t feel like he actually SRs me either

it makes sense you just dislike it

i realized my own thought in 2408 after i was forced to think about it some more suggested that

and what is the strength of that read? like to me it seems like you're both saying it's suggested (which i don't take to be very strong) but the wording in 2410 doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation

not super strong. it was a musing

[Cephrir]

if it was a super strong read i would probably, vote you,

[Cephrir]

I am quite happily ignoring this conversation between you and Andante.

i don't feel like this answers my question

[Cephrir]

fire was probably getting taken by whoever.

untrue. don't think he'd have accepted most people, at least at the time, and idt he would have been a popular choice either

[Cephrir]

Ceph talks to me like he knows I'm town

where did i do this

[Cephrir]

Has Cephrir even talked about Ginngie/Prism once?

if only there were some sort of easy way to determine this with the power of ctrl-f

but that slot hasn't been a main focus, no

[mykonian]

I am quite happily ignoring this conversation between you and Andante.

i don't feel like this answers my question

I was under the impression that it would.

Could you rephrase your question in that case?

[Ginngie]

reading through page 93 made me think andante/ginnie are s/s both threatening to leave the game

i know it's likely not the case but

I literally put a countdown for me to leave or have the entire town vote us out. Yeah that's a move S/S pair would make. Come on mate, you have to be joking. We got a free mislim and I'm using it tactically.

Andante and myself are town, work from there and tell me who you think is the final T/T pair?

Legit finding the last T/T pair solves the game, scumreads aren't really worth pursuing in this style of game. of course thats my pov and I prefer to townhunt but still.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VoteCount 2.1

Ginngie - Andante [1] - Cephrir
Cephrir - FireisRedSir [1] - Andante
Dunnstral - Datisi [1] - Bell
Bell - Mykonian[0] -

Not Voting [5]

- Ginngie, Fireisredsir, Dunnstral, Datisi, Mykonian

With 8 alive it takes 5 votes to execute

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2022-05-02 15:00:00)

[Cephrir]

I am quite happily ignoring this conversation between you and Andante.

i don't feel like this answers my question

I was under the impression that it would.

Could you rephrase your question in that case?

you said 'finally something i *can* respond to'

why were you *unable* to respond to anything else

[Cephrir]

reading through page 93 made me think andante/ginnie are s/s both threatening to leave the game

i know it's likely not the case but

I literally put a countdown for me to leave or have the entire town vote us out. Yeah that's a move S/S pair would make. Come on mate, you have to be joking. We got a free mislim and I'm using it tactically.

Andante and myself are town, work from there and tell me who you think is the final T/T pair?

Legit finding the last T/T pair solves the game, scumreads aren't really worth pursuing in this style of game. of course thats my pov and I prefer to townhunt but still.

ur driving me up the wall with this "i'm leaving my partner even though i think they're town" thing

[mykonian]

I am quite happily ignoring this conversation between you and Andante.

i don't feel like this answers my question

I was under the impression that it would.

Could you rephrase your question in that case?

you said 'finally something i *can* respond to'

why were you *unable* to respond to anything else

So between that statement and my last reply, there's the 1.5 page long conversation between you and Andante, which is a mess, which I'm not touching as per answer.

Do you want to accuse me of not interacting with the game or do you just enjoy sifting these words?

[Cephrir]

why arent you interacting with that conversation

im trying to understand your thought process my dude no need to get all up in arms

[Ginngie]

reading through page 93 made me think andante/ginnie are s/s both threatening to leave the game

i know it's likely not the case but

I literally put a countdown for me to leave or have the entire town vote us out. Yeah that's a move S/S pair would make. Come on mate, you have to be joking. We got a free mislim and I'm using it tactically.

Andante and myself are town, work from there and tell me who you think is the final T/T pair?

Legit finding the last T/T pair solves the game, scumreads aren't really worth pursuing in this style of game. of course thats my pov and I prefer to townhunt but still.

ur driving me up the wall with this "i'm leaving my partner even though i think they're town" thing

I think I might be standing out somewhat but I was always a bit of an agent of chaos in my games

If you scumread me mate, you should be happy

If you dont, you should be focusing on eliminating someone else before the deadline.

Choice is yours, I've made mine

[Cephrir]

i dont really scumread you i just want you to make sense

[Cephrir]

but like,,, for that very reason please stay and convince me my andante read is wrong instead of whatever this is

[mykonian]

why arent you interacting with that conversation

I want as little as possible to do with it. There was nothing to be gained there.

[Ginngie]

but like,,, for that very reason please stay and convince me my andante read is wrong instead of whatever this is

Well, it's because we're masons.

[Cephrir]

why arent you interacting with that conversation

I want as little as possible to do with it. There was nothing to be gained there.

wh, why

whatever mate weird hill to die on

[Andante]

Cephrir, you sound so against leaving this dance… yet at the same time you’re really not pushing any reads… makes me think even more that you’re maf here

[Ginngie]

Okay non gimmicky post

Look how often their reads change. Town doesn't have a fucking clue and does it look like Andante has any clue as to what is going on?

Scum inherently knows they need to try to be coherent and make sense because for some reason, people scumread what they dont understand. i dont need to understand Andante's reads, I just need to know that they're not being faked. Like myself, when Mala called me townie, I had this wave of ick flow through my body, and it kept getting stronger and stronger and I literally felt disgusted by Mala saying that. So I investigated. My gut there was right, but after conversing, even I townbinned mala. Reads change, it can happen sporadically and sometimes you could have said nothing at all but you get that little itch in the back of your mind, it grows and then your whole read changes on a dime. When you're actively solving the game, you're not confident in any of your reads and all that jazz. Which if you look at Andante, that's what they've been doing. Constantly changing reads, constantly absorbing new information and showing confidence only to doubt themselves and rearrange their thinking all over again.

She's bloody town and I have to be honest, there's so much talk about her being pocketed by me, but I sometimes wonder if I've pocketed myself onto her as in the PT, I felt the need to apologize for saying she was toxic for wanting to leave to eliminate me. She was so upset that I said she was gamethrowing for wanting to leave and I honestly felt really bad about it. So I apologized and decided to double down on my town read and do my best to work with her as best as I could. Multiple times hearing her want to give up made me want to encourage her and I told her hey we got this, we'll pull through this and win together. Like, I'm at a point where I've wanted to be able to work with Andante so bad that I've honestly blinded myself to her alignment being anything but town because I can't accept it being not true. It just can't be. AtE and all but I'd be fuckin heartbroken if Andante is scum here. So maybe at the end of the day, my read on Andante being town is that I can't stomach having that read be wrong and my heart screams that she's town because we've gone on an emotional roller coaster together in the span of like one week.

[Andante]

Also Ginngie I’ll respond to you here instead of PT cause I’m annoyed, you keep saying we’re TT and that you still want to leave all cause you don’t “trust us” like seriously… if you’re not actually going to play, just leave then, cause I’m sick of all this talk about “oh must leave!!” and like no solving… there’s no reason to be convinced TT us HAS TO LEAVE… it’s seriously annoying Ginngie