Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Well Done]

I’m not convinced this FL/WD fight will be anymore helpful for my reads than it already has.
Well good thing i’m going to sleep.

Indeed, feel like we'll wake up to 10 pages in the morning and be none the wiser.

What do you think we should do?

[Save The Dragons]

it has to do with stuff posted in the neighborhood

[Flavor Leaf]

I haven't even been telling people where to vote all game, just been saying my thoughts on gamestate/my reads/things that ping me when they come up.

[Save The Dragons]

that i will not be discussing

[MalcolmTucker]

Anyway I feel like Well Done's argument here is a bit inconsistent. As has been pointed out Nashville has barely if even properly scum-read Flavor. And Flavor's reverse read on Well Done starts to seem reasonable if they are town and believe this read is in fundamentally bad faith.

The manipulating the gamestate argument also feels a bit vague and thin on the ground too. Flavor is clearly an active player and evidently wants to steer the direction of the game irrespective of their alignment. I don't think they are scummy for trying to form narrative, it's just how they play and while they will sometimes miss it can be helpful if they are town.

My only issue re SR'ing Well Done is I'm not sure this is necessarily a fight scum wants to pick at this point...Flavor is unlikely to be eliminated D1 I'd say and it very much puts Well Done in the spotlight.

[Save The Dragons]

it also has to do with my feeling based on how he played when we played together previously. i have not seen scum!leaf however so i don't know what that's like

[MalcolmTucker]

I’m not convinced this FL/WD fight will be anymore helpful for my reads than it already has.
Well good thing i’m going to sleep.

Indeed, feel like we'll wake up to 10 pages in the morning and be none the wiser.

What do you think we should do?

Oh I think you're perfectly entitled to push and I hope something will come of it in terms of useful info for the game...just feels like some of the arguments/talking points are already starting to go round in circles here.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's just how they play and while they will sometimes miss it can be helpful if they are town.

I really just want you to see the difference in my town game late into the game

I'm much stronger town late into the game. But I do have a tendency to get warlocked by scum.

But like Knuckles in Sonic 3 and Knuckles, i'll eventually punch the Eggman.

[Flavor Leaf]

But I do have a tendency to get warlocked by scum.

*early game^

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor is unlikely to be eliminated D1 I'd say and it very much puts Well Done in the spotlight.

I don't think they pushed me with the intent to fade me, not that they wouldnt if it was possible.

I feel like at the least I've hit a scum or two, but what really makes me ping with Well Done is that this happened after I had settled a bit with Catboi, and started looking into Mastina as an option.

[MalcolmTucker]

it's just how they play and while they will sometimes miss it can be helpful if they are town.

I really just want you to see the difference in my town game late into the game

I'm much stronger town late into the game. But I do have a tendency to get warlocked by scum.

But like Knuckles in Sonic 3 and Knuckles, i'll eventually punch the Eggman.

As I say I'm far from fully convinced you are town, it's just "Flavor is manipulating the gamestate" feels like a bit of a weak read from Well Done insofar as it's not just what you do, but what I'd argue any player who is posting more than everyone else ends up doing to some degree presuming they are posting actual content. The goal of mafia is to some degree manipulation in that even town spend their time trying to get other people to agree with them on something they generally inherently can't be certain about.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm now in a situation where if Mastina-Catboi-Well Done were to all push me, then it would have some merit, so that's another thing that sprang to my mind with Well Done. Like they saw an opportunity in the gamestate to turn momentum onto me.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's just how they play and while they will sometimes miss it can be helpful if they are town.

I really just want you to see the difference in my town game late into the game

I'm much stronger town late into the game. But I do have a tendency to get warlocked by scum.

But like Knuckles in Sonic 3 and Knuckles, i'll eventually punch the Eggman.

As I say I'm far from fully convinced you are town, it's just "Flavor is manipulating the gamestate" feels like a bit of a weak read from Well Done insofar as it's not just what you do, but what I'd argue any player who is posting more than everyone else ends up doing to some degree presuming they are posting actual content. The goal of mafia is to some degree manipulation in that even town spend their time trying to get other people to agree with them on something they generally inherently can't be certain about.

I don't need you to town read me Day 1. I need you to town read me later in the game if you are town.


I was more talking in general, i dont expect to make it that late into this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm now in a situation where if Mastina-Catboi-Well Done were to all push me, then it would have some merit, so that's another thing that sprang to my mind with Well Done. Like they saw an opportunity in the gamestate to turn momentum onto me.

Bnuuy, Cassowary would likely also join, then probably some stragglers.

This is something I do to see where the scum are around me.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Catboi

I'm going to go back here.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: Well done

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Well done

I'm so salty right now....

[Toogeloo]

FL and STD are probably Dysfunctional Masons, that's my guess.

[Save The Dragons]

i'll probably change it back tbh i'm not confident in it but some things just left a bad taste in my mouth

[Toogeloo]

You two were on competing wagons early. Is there a lot of dissatisfied discussions happening in private?

[Titus]

Interesting how I postulate that voting Catboi might be required for the game state causes us to be a counter to catboi. This definitely means I need to reset my catboi read when I catch up.

[Titus]

The only difference I see is who is doing the voting. If it was people familiar with me, I would lean towards scum saving catboi. Yet Butter and Wallflower are not familiar with me.

[Save The Dragons]

You two were on competing wagons early. Is there a lot of dissatisfied discussions happening in private?

probably not going to talk about it at this time

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: nashville dreams

[Toogeloo]

I'm still 100% in support of day 1 eliming the Beloved Princess. Lowest risk for what could possibly also be scum, PRs are still hidden, scum would be firing blindly, possibly getting a few cross kills.

Is the Malefactor essentially just a 5th scum member for both teams with no ability to communicate with them? Or are they more akin to a Serial Killer? I didn't see anything on the wiki about a Malefactor, but their win con suggests they are aligned with either/both scum factions but don't get a kill of their own. I'd assume in this setup, they are bulletproof. Do they win even if dead as long as town loses?