KTaNE [game over!]

[Bell]

Yea and Strange is scum

Excellent point. Let me know who you want me to vote and when!

[Andante]

enchant is mafia. it’s that simple

[Andante]

VOTE: enchant

[Dwlee99]

Yea and Strange is scum

Excellent point. Let me know who you want me to vote and when!

Mena...

[Dwlee99]

my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die

Andresvmb has exploded night 3. he was a

DATS Inc. simple doctor

.

Spoiler:

welcome,

Andresvmb

! you are a

DATS Inc. simple doctor

, a part of this game's uninformed majority.

role abilities:

~ each night, you may target a player. assuming no interference with your action, that player will be protected from one kill that night. this action will fail if used on a player who is not vanilla. this action does

not

protect against bomb explosion.

win conditions:

~ you win when all GB Inc. infiltrators are dead and at least one DATS Inc. employee is alive.
~ alternatively, you win when DATS Inc. employees act as successful bomb defusers 8 times.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name.

Greeting has been killed night 3. he was a

DATS Inc. trainee

.

Spoiler:

welcome,

Greeting

! you are a

DATS Inc. trainee

, a part of this game's uninformed majority.

role abilities:

~ once in the game, at any time, you may choose to inherit a dead DATS Inc. employee's role. you will become their role at the start of the next phase (day, twilight, or night).
~ if the role you inherit is x-shot, the used shots will not be refunded.

win conditions:

~ you win when all GB Inc. infiltrators are dead and at least one DATS Inc. employee is alive.
~ alternatively, you win when DATS Inc. employees act as successful bomb defusers 8 times.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name.

the sun rises. it is now day 4.

Why were dwlee and strange experted?

Strange > dwlee > baltar

Could be strange and dwlee I guess, but that’s my preference for limming them

CSF, GL, bell, ceph, VPB all town

Pooky, Andy, enchant prob town?

Misty still scum

Titus can be scum, and is likely to be scum if only 1 in strange and dwlee

VOTE: strange

If Menalque is town this is literally the most unfortunate series of posts I think I've ever seen

Can I see a world now where town!mena gets vibed into townreading VPB and scumreading me and strange because greeting townread enchant. I guess so.

Do I believe we are in that world? Still no.

And I can be wrong but also it feels like by far the most obvious answer

[Dwlee99]

I'm trusting bell is town because everyone has said bell is town (ala a large theme I played where this occurred)

CSF/Andante I believe with strong probability are town

I still want to townread GL because his posts defending me. I think there's a case that I'm hard pocketed by him but whatever

That leaves Enchant/Pooky/Menalque

I can see a world for any of these scum

Enchant feels least likely. Menalque seems most. If we can find a way to kill all three I think that wins us the game. If we can't idfk and maybe I'm wrong and scum aren't even in there

But I really wanna flip Menalque

[Dwlee99]

I'm getting similar vibes to https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89302 where we had obvious associatives between the flipped mafia D1 and the unclipped mafia and then people were trying to talk themselves out of limming the final scum until he E-1'd himself with Enchant in the game lol

[Dwlee99]

Ftr I was hoping to quickhammer it which is why I wasn't voting there. But I couldn't coordinate a quickhammer with enchant cause someone would have unvoted. Sad

[Dwlee99]

I will also say I have no personal reason why I townread bell other than other people saying he is town

[Bell]

VOTE: Mena

Sure!

Also, just keep listening to everybody else on my alignment, because they're right.

[Enchant]

Don't make me expert if you suspect me then.

... Idk i ever need protection from bombs, like mafia even targets me.

[Dwlee99]

The choice if the game continues is you or pooky and I think Pooky is mildly more likely to be scum than you are so I am healing you also as a token of good faith to mena

[Menalque]

Excellent point

Not really, you being wrong on strange and dwlee being right on mala isn’t really a good reason for one or the other of you to automatically lead on the others

[Menalque]

But, okay, I’ve said my piece and if dwlee still can’t see I’m town they can’t see I’m town

Bell, kill pooky tomorrow

If Bell dies overnight and y’all don’t kill pooky tomorrow then I think you deserve the loss tbh

[Menalque]

Last thing is to address once more why pooky is scum

Namely, the problem is not that he didn’t try to kill baltar on D2 and didn’t blow him up on N1, it’s that his read on Baltar TOTALLY DISAPPEARED despite having a very solid foundation

In fact, not only did it disappear, but he started townreading baltar for being selected as defuser twice and argued that he shouldn’t be limmed because of it... while st the same time arguing that baltar was best sorted by being blown up instead of limmed! He kept this up until baltar was in a position where he was going down, at which point he switched to bussing him, despite the fact that the alternative was someone he was previously UTTERLY CONVINCED was scum, to the point that he said that even if baltar was scum, dwlee still shouldn’t be allowed to defuse later on — yet baltar had to be limmed first despite pooky’s standing townread on him that came out of nowhere

[Menalque]

Pooky has clearly had plenty of time to be in thread the last couple of days. Look at how he’s used it. Instead of spending any time looking for scum — and nobody is asking him to case, I agree that’s shitty to do on mobile — but he’s not even trying! — he’s decided to get into a multipage argument with someone he thinks is town. He’s done his absolute best to have that engagement in a heated and unpleasant way, probably to make people not want to be in or engage with the thread. We all know pooky is capable of being very nice when he engages. His unpleasantness here is strategic.

He’s continued to endlessly belabour the same couple of points, even when it’s been explained why I’m not willing to talk about them right there (see: why I wasn’t prepared to tell him the main points of my argument against him and how it’s different from the defence he’s been trying to give). This is not a town mindset or group of behaviours. This is scum desperately trying to survive and to mess up the thread. I think it’s very damning that he needs me limmed to stand a chance (I was definitely in the group of planned mislims that scum were counting on to get to elo) and has managed to contrive a way to vote me (enhancing the goal of trying to get me limmed) while still insisting I’m town.

How often, ask yourself, have you seen town intentionally vote two players they think are town, vote themselves, and refuse to scumhunt at all when the game is building toward a probably winning but not quite clear elo? Now, ask yourself how often you’ve seen scum do that? I rest my case

[Menalque]

VOTE: mena

Enchant, do your thing

Catch ups can be finished during night

[Dwlee99]

I don't want day to end until Pooky is on computer and can give me who he thinks is scum

[Enchant]

VOTE: Mena

This uncomfortable

[Dwlee99]

See do I unvote this so we can get the pooky content you're insisting is so important or just let you flip

Last scum literally did this exact thing in the game I linked...

[Menalque]

Pooky could have easily done that by reading at any point in the last 3 days lol

[Dwlee99]

Please be over

[Menalque]

I was town

Good luck tomo

[Dwlee99]

Whatever sounds like I was wrong sorry

[Menalque]

Just try to do better next time