Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Enchant]

I am Self Targeting Innocent Child.

CC me.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: catboi

Would prefer not to have a bunch of late day one claims.

weird bc
a) tictac claimed unprompted
b) the pressure was to get more game related content under duress, not to force a claim
c) catboi hasn't claimed either so do you think toog is town then?

I wouldn't say I think toog is town, but he could be town.

and catboi can't be town?
can you point out the points that make it so catboi cannot be town?

i think toog could be town obviously but when scum are playing the "don't do things I do as town" scumplay I can only go and point at the absence of said behavior. It is, however highly reliable.

I strongly believe catboi to be scum, yes.

The buuny wagon. Constant AtE. Enough for me on day 1. I don't think catboi is as indespensible as everyone else does, I guess.

[SCP 682]

what about the bunny wagon?
The AtE that he has shown actually leans him town and to call it scum indicative is, frankly, very tunnely.

Have you considered you are viewing catboi through the lens of wanting him to be scum and not actually genuinely evaluating him? because that is what it seems like.

[SCP 682]

many of us saw bunny as scummy at one point or another. if bunny was so squeaky clean to not deserve scrutiny theyd have never been wagoned - but the fact they were not pushed through is also significant in that they have been able to show towniness as well.

I'd bet bunny flipping scum before catboi did if this was singleball.

[MonkeyMan576]

How does using ate make you town? The buuny wagon was obviously trying to protect catboi or wallflower, the two leading wagons at the time. That points to scum-catboi or scum-wallflower.

[The Keeper]

I am Self Targeting Innocent Child.

CC me.

ok, I counter claim.

Nothing has impressed me from the bnuuy slot...
Do I put my vote there... or do I wait for the people with black hearts to become wagons...

[SCP 682]

That's frankly, ridiculous theory and completely ignores any level of context.

And the AtE was so strong and came off as genuine that the only world I see catboi scum there is if wallflower is their partner and catboi was genuinely mad at a gamethrowing partner and was leaning into the feelings to get that through.

Frankly your reasoning is extremely weak and tunnely and you are ignoring the big picture that there are 8 different groupscum and you could very well be derailing a wagon on a different scum person just because you want your tunnel to go through.

[Menalque]

a) tictac claimed unprompted

uh

VOTE: tictac

e-1 again

still time to claim

we get claim first

claim then kill

oh right tictac's scumbud pushed them to claim bc they knew the mason claim would give them a pass rofl

[Enchant]

VOTE: The Keeper

[MonkeyMan576]

I didn't say I'm totally unwilling to vote toog. I just don't think it's a good idea and I think the less claims the better.

@The Keeper if you seriously claiing Innocent Child then why wouldn't we eliminate enchant?

[Enchant]

I didn't say I'm totally unwilling to vote toog. I just don't think it's a good idea and I think the less claims the better.

@The Keeper if you seriously claiing Innocent Child then why wouldn't we eliminate enchant?

Typical

[Menalque]

The buuny wagon was obviously trying to protect catboi or wallflower, the two leading wagons at the time. That points to scum-catboi or scum-wallflower.

[SCP 682]

I didn't say I'm totally unwilling to vote toog. I just don't think it's a good idea and I think the less claims the better.

@The Keeper if you seriously claiing Innocent Child then why wouldn't we eliminate enchant?

I think your joke detector is broken.

[MonkeyMan576]

What, you getting counterclaimed?

[MonkeyMan576]

I didn't say I'm totally unwilling to vote toog. I just don't think it's a good idea and I think the less claims the better.

@The Keeper if you seriously claiing Innocent Child then why wouldn't we eliminate enchant?

I think your joke detector is broken.

It's possible, I am on the spectrum.

[Menalque]

please god just get toog up to e-1 so we can get a claim and end the day

[Menalque]

I cannot express enough how much I do not want this day 1 to reach 200 pages

[Save The Dragons]

200 PAGES LETS GO

[SCP 682]

Overall I think Toog has shown a contrast to his town meta in this game - whether or not that is because of factors in this game, namely starts with F ends with leaf, is yet to be decided because there is a lack of town indicative content from the slot and thus that places them low in objective towniness ergo an optimal wagon to force pressure.

Wagoning is not about "forcing claims" and neither should there be fear that a townie will claim. Solving a slot is more valuable than scum learning the identity of a potential PR.

[Nashville Dreams]

Spoiler: don't mind me

yeah they don't seem that towny to me.

And I hate cats, I'm a dog person.

pl-worthy post, tbh

Motive can tell alignment. The sheer number of times catboi has been counterwagoned suggests he's scum. My play read on him is town. The last I checked our hydra notes, she had catboi scum. Her opinion (at least at the time) plus the votes means I need to reset and check if the votes warrant the belief that scum were shopping for any not catboi wagon.

Even if my gut instinct is right,

repeated counterwagons to town

in multiball suggest catboi is defending one if not both teams hard.

Who is the town in this scenario? If it's referring to you, this analysis doesn't really help anyone who's not you - what does the number of times you've been counterwagoned tell us about your alignment? Or MonkeyMan's alignment (who you originally used this same argument on?)

Context. Catboi wagons were discussed.

[Enchant]

Let's massclaim d1.

[Menalque]

out all the PRs on day 1 so scum don't know who to kill

big brain strats

[Save The Dragons]

Let's massclaim d1.

im a monk

[Menalque]

I genuinely adore enchant, never change

[Nashville Dreams]

I also really want to force Butterchurn to commit with a Catboi stance and just haven't been able to get pressure going past a stalled 5-6 vote wagon on Catboi all game.

I don't really see why I should be forced to take a stance here (well, I understand why you would want me to, since if I'm scum it makes me take a stance, but I'm not, so I'm not going to make one up). Players like catboi are not people that I expect to be able to have a confident Day 1 read on.

So you've spent the entire day voting not catboi and catboi is a nullread?

Who do you expect to have a read on?

I keep Townreading you... then you keep sinking the read with stuff like this.

23 players in a game. We're not all going to get Q4 or even Q3 items. People are going to get Q0 sometimes.

This is a BAD angle and either I've seriously pissed off Titus recently or there's a huge shift in playstyles lately.

Your lack of voting pisses me off.