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[Irrelephant11]

I think I just haven't felt like I've done enough ~work~ to sort skitter. Like she just fell into my town pile and I can't really remember any reasons other than she said some stuff that made sense, which she does as both alignments

Quick, skitter, towntell

[Irrelephant11]

incidentally, my strategic principle going into this is that skitter/ari probably shouldn't be in the coalition unless there's a real dearth of towniness from other slots as they're the players I think it's hardest to catch on D1 if scum

This seems like quite the handicap to play by. You'll find every townie but them if they're both town?

[Menalque]

that's not exactly what I'm saying, I think:

I'm not saying I *wouldn't* heal either of them, just that the standard of evidence is necessarily higher, and with both of them it's a lot harder to sort them without any flips/real info. probably harder than anyone else here, no offence intended

that means that if I can find 4 more players and towntell myself, yes, I'd rather have those players in, even if one or two of them seemed towny but a *bit less* towny than Ari or skitter

if however there were, let's say, 4 very scummy seeming players by the time coalition deadline rolls round and both skitter and ari seemed decently town, I'd probably go with them being in there

it's a matter of degree, but I think it's well warranted to be sceptical of people with the best scumgames given the mech of the setup

[Menalque]

like, re: skitt

what do you think you could have done to reliably sort skitter when she hasn't even got 30 posts yet? I'm really sceptical that literally anyone on site could say that they're confident she's town based on that amount/what she's done so far

that doesn't mean treat her like scum -- I advocate the opposite -- but even doubling up on that, it's going to be very hard to reliably read her as town based on what she's actually done without anything concrete

[Not Known 15]

I think menalque is probably town but is losing the race to towniness to others rn
I don't think aristeia/datisi is t/t but that's also a read that feels liable to do a complete 180 if/when someone else gets scummy.

Getting paranoid about skitter

Ari/datisi is S/S. That's all. It's the only thing able to throw off Ari off balance like that. I'm pretty sure of that.
But removing fire is no problem. I'll greenlight anything outside Ari/datisi.

[skitter30]

I think mena is probably town
(Fwiw r.e. your approach to me: i think my game has gotten a bit worse recently, and that ari should probably be in the bucket you usually put me in, and that i'm probably not in the same tier as her these days, but i dont like inherently oppose or object to this approach to me, and can understand it
)

@nk15 why do you think they're svs and not svt?

[Menalque]

It's the only thing able to throw off Ari off balance like that

could you please say in your own words what you mean by Ari being thrown of balance

[Menalque]

I think mena is probably town
(Fwiw r.e. your approach to me: i think my game has gotten a bit worse recently, and that ari should probably be in the bucket you usually put me in, and that i'm probably not in the same tier as her these days, but i dont like inherently oppose or object to this approach to me, and can understand it
)

okay, noted -- I'm inclined to still sort you as normal, but I'll maybe put a bit less of a BoP on you than I have sometimes in the past as acknowledgement of that

[Irrelephant11]

like, re: skitt

what do you think you could have done to reliably sort skitter when she hasn't even got 30 posts yet? I'm really sceptical that literally anyone on site could say that they're confident she's town based on that amount/what she's done so far

that doesn't mean treat her like scum -- I advocate the opposite -- but even doubling up on that, it's going to be very hard to reliably read her as town based on what she's actually done without anything concrete

To begin with: there's a 75% chance she's town.
Then: She said things in the dat/ari/skit opening to the game that I agreed with (like "you two feel weird")
Following: She rightly pointed out that me saying "more people should heal me" is sketchy without really coming for me. If she's scum she probably should have come for me as a widely townread townie, unless she thinks I'll lead town off a cliff based on my current trajectory

Even if the second & third things are only worth like 2% points of towniness each, there's now a 79% chance she's town. Good enough to sit in my coalition until the paranoia comes for me

[Irrelephant11]

HURT: NK15
HEAL: menalque

[skitter30]

I think mena is probably town
(Fwiw r.e. your approach to me: i think my game has gotten a bit worse recently, and that ari should probably be in the bucket you usually put me in, and that i'm probably not in the same tier as her these days, but i dont like inherently oppose or object to this approach to me, and can understand it
)

okay, noted -- I'm inclined to still sort you as normal, but I'll maybe put a bit less of a BoP on you than I have sometimes in the past as acknowledgement of that

Sure. Like i said feel free to do with this as you will, i'm not saying you should change how you approach me, or not, i'm just sharing how i feel abt my game now vs in the past

[Not Known 15]

@nk15 why do you think they're svs and not svt?

Because ari would be mentally prepared to be scum vs. Datisi.
But not prepared to be scum with Datisi(which has a much lower chance, after all).

[Aristeia]

i would have a lot of fun as scum with dats actually

[skitter30]

@nk15 why do you think they're svs and not svt?

Because ari would be mentally prepared to be scum vs. Datisi.
But not prepared to be scum with Datisi(which has a much lower chance, after all).

Hmmm i'm not sure i understand what you're trying to say here

[Aristeia]

he is saying that I am ready to play either alignment but I have issues playing scum with him specifically as my partner because it is something with a low p-value and I have not done it before

its an interesting read.

[Irrelephant11]

i would have a lot of fun as scum with dats actually

[Irrelephant11]

I dunno what if scum is just malakittens and datisi

[Aristeia]

i also don't think i am nearly as good as you think skitter - I just have more familiarity with some players than you do.

I am still quite bad at reading people that I don't have a lot of experience with. >_>

[skitter30]

he is saying that I am ready to play either alignment but I have issues playing scum with him specifically as my partner because it is something with a low p-value and I have not done it before

its an interesting read.

Ah ok yeah
Not sure i agree with that logic tho, i think you would like playing scum with dats

I think the awkwardness could come from the svs universe tho

And wrt the latter post: fair enuf!

[Irrelephant11]

[snip]

HEAL: datisi
HEAL: fireisredsir
HEAL: malakittens
HEAL: aristeia

[snip]

datisi why did you heal malakittens here

hi irrel!! do you have any thoughts on the posts that have been submitted so far?

excuse me while I barf @ "any thoughts on the posts that have been submitted so far" - "submitted"? Is town writing this post to me? I guess maybe but it's giving scum vibes

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=77726

thank you

i opened his iso in this link and i was already visualizing what i was gonna write about him not feeling the same this game and how he might actually be Just Scum, but then i noticed his first post in the iso there is around post 900 so there goes my theory

i feel like you're not necessarily wrong on thinking our interaction is weird because i did think it was weird too, but fmpov it is kind of clear which side is weird so your callout is Odd to me

(not necessarily scummy, just Odd)

I forgot how much I didn't like that you almost decided I was Just Scum based on a 3-year-old meta of one game. Like the reason you shouldn't be reading me from that game is that it's very unlikely relevant, not that I started on post 900. Yeah I don't know feels like a ~totally real attempt to meta read me~ that scum might try to do on page 2 to look towny

[Irrelephant11]

Ari if you're town, stop being scummy

[Aristeia]

i dont really get the awkward read

he feels fine to me >_>

[Irrelephant11]

Ari if you're town, stop being scummy

for starters, heal some people

[Irrelephant11]

HURT: malakittens
HEAL: NK15

[Aristeia]

I guess the team I would like currently is

5 of

ari
skitter
irre
nk15
std
datisi

if thats what you were asking about.