Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[skitter30]

We are flipping Aristeia. If Ari is town, we are flipping skitter. If Ari is scum, we flip Datisi. Does anyone disagree?

literally the entire game
for the third time: why did you hammer the coalition
why are you now bringing up mena/mala as a aviable option and then pushing the above?

I hammered the coalition because there was no way a coalition without ari/dats was passing, so I approved a coalition with ari/dats in it to increase the chances to yeet.
Because ari/dats is higher in my list and because, if ari is town, I can sheep her Day 2 instead.

what do u think apropriate hammer etiquette is?

[Irrelephant11]

We are flipping Aristeia. If Ari is town, we are flipping skitter. If Ari is scum, we flip Datisi. Does anyone disagree?

Yes I absolutely disagree

i dont have enough from the two that aren't talking rn

Trust me I’ll have lots to say when not on v/la


Menalque has not posted in day 2. His entire ISO reads fake to me and skitter has him as locktown for not trying very hard. STD is semi-conftown and being entirely ignored! I’ve skimmed everything after 1333 because Datisi and skitter are pushing skitter for being inconsistent and thoughtless (does that sound like her scum game?) and skitter is pushing Datisi. Fire at one point suggested Menalque is my last-minute attempt to find a mislim inside the coalition which… lol I was trying to push Menalque out of the coalition att. I feel like everyone has lost their minds and refuses to even consider Occam’s razor: low-poster is scum. Like - at least consider it? I’ll write the same thing but in 900-word paragraphs if that’s the only way to get through to you people

[Irrelephant11]

EBWOP: “Skitter is pushing Datisi for lame reasons too imo”.

[skitter30]

Fwiw i'm not actually pushing him at this point, i just feel like i need to address/answer everything

Are u trying to say u think its mena? I'm a little worried he's low hanging fruit tbh, and i think its a little reductive to say i'm townreading him for not trying hard, which loses some of the nuance in what i said
Why ia std semi-conftown to you?

But ok i'll consider it: when u have a chance after vla, why is it mena?

[Ydrasse]

vc tmrw

[Datisi]

skitt, what happened to your avatar

i'n questioning you because from my pov it seemed like you spent d1 just kinda being there, mentioning how you townread std and how you don't want ari in, but also didn't towncase std at all and kept nudging towards aristeia being kinda sorta okay to be in the coalition. then as soon as it failed, you started acting as if you were hard pushing for std to be in and were hard opposing ari and nobody was listening to you and you were forced into voting a coalition you didn't want and using that to push ari. when that's not how that looked like to me.

the fact that you are actually reconsidering ari is... okay, i guess? i don't love it since my immediate mental response is that you're backpedaling, but i shouldn't be mindlessly tunnelling. i'll go over our convo from today when i'm back from uni and see if i have any new thoughts.

[Datisi]

Occam’s razor: low-poster is scum.

so the scumteam is nk/mala and ydrasse is trolling us?

i'm like, i will consider scum!mena. but i need a bit more to actually convince me he's viable to be scum considering i feel like he has hit multiple towntells while he's been here...

[Aristeia]

the fact that you are actually reconsidering ari is... okay, i guess? i don't love it since my immediate mental response is that you're backpedaling, but i shouldn't be mindlessly tunnelling. i'll go over our convo from today when i'm back from uni and see if i have any new thoughts.

um what is town!her supposed to do there? Just double down when the facts are clearly against her interpretation of events? -__-

[Datisi]

i'm still thinking about her posts in pyp where she said that scum!her values having a good trajectory. and this is very much... not it. i should be reevailng people anyway, might as well reread and see if anything comes to me

[Aristeia]

I mean her trajectory is nonsensical but it could just as easily be town!her was stressed/distracted at work and didn't understand what I was telling her rather than scum!her decided to pull out some absurd trajectory to push me?

[Aristeia]

I am kind of creeped out by NK15 saying to flip me and then flip skitter when i flip town cuz like maybe he's just a scumbag and we're T/T here

[Datisi]

i mean, yes, but i don't exactly townread people for having nonsense thought processes either - like nothing stopping scum!her from being in the same situation

and maybe we should've put nk15 into the coalition so that we can flip him immediately when it fails >_>

[fireisredsir]

the "put all the consensus scumreads in" strategy is optimal tbh

[fireisredsir]

i mean, yes, but i don't exactly townread people for having nonsense thought processes either - like nothing stopping scum!her from being in the same situation

you don't have to townread her for it but i also don't really see why her actions are more likely to come from her as scum

[Datisi]

scum has to have someone to push after the coalition fails? if you're scum and you put in yourself and 4 other people you strongly townread and it fails, then you have to have some possibly awkward progression on figuring out who to push

whereas if you have people that you're "willing" to put into a coalition but you're unsure they're kinda scummy you prefer someone else that you strongly townread, then it becomes much easier to maintain a trajectory after the coalition failure

[fireisredsir]

actually ty that explanation helps a lot i didn't really understand why you were so interested in that point

not sure i entirely agree on it being scummy but i get now why you're pushing the way that you are

[fireisredsir]

maybe you had already said that and im just slow

but something about the way you said that made it make more sense

[Aristeia]

how come when i said it to you it didnt make any sense for you >.>

am i just bad with words

[fireisredsir]

well i think that one made sense why you were pushing it i just disagreed. but that was also more the point about her trying to get you eliminated with the push early this phase

i still am not sold on that one

this was more about her actions last phase around who she wanted in the coalition vs vs who she was townreading vs who she was taking action towards putting in the coalition and how those may or may not all line up and why thats potentially sus

[fireisredsir]

but also i didn't really think you were scummy for your points about skitter but i kinda was getting nervous about datisi in the last 2 or 3 pages since it felt focused more on her doing weird/inconsistent things and less about if those things actually would help her as scum

but then the explanation made it make more sense to me so thats gone away i think

[Not Known 15]

Ok, aristeia isn't going to happen, that much is clear.
I can't see anything else but the interaction so I have to just hope that I am wrong.
So...
fireisredsir looks like a person defending their partner. Combine this with ari's case that I just have to assume to come from town(because if ari is scum we already lost)...
VOTE: Skitter

[skitter30]

skitt, what happened to your avatar

See: dead thread of ur large
(I.e. lost an avi bet to prism)

i'n questioning you because from my pov it seemed like you spent d1 just kinda being there, mentioning how you townread std and how you don't want ari in, but also didn't towncase std at all and kept nudging towards aristeia being kinda sorta okay to be in the coalition. then as soon as it failed, you started acting as if you were hard pushing for std to be in and were hard opposing ari and nobody was listening to you and you were forced into voting a coalition you didn't want and using that to push ari. when that's not how that looked like to me.

I mean fair enuf. I was v frustrated at daystart for it failing given that it wasnt what i wanted, but i could have done more to make what i wanted happen wrt std. I can understand how you see why my trajectory on ari was sus (although idk why you think i pick ari to be my first misflip, there's a whole host of easier options), but to my pov i didnt want her in, i felt like i only voted her to get something passed, and i was worried that's where it failed, and i still rn dont really know where scum is in it

I dont really townread u for this convo either tho, and i'm not really sure it makes sense for u as town to scumread me here, but maybe i am annoyed and its coloring this idk. I do think ari's approach to this was kinda townie tho

[skitter30]

I mean her trajectory is nonsensical but it could just as easily be town!her was stressed/distracted at work and didn't understand what I was telling her rather than scum!her decided to pull out some absurd trajectory to push me?

I'm not entirely sure how to respond to this
I tried a few times but i guess i'll just say i dont think how much effort i had or how much i understood was ai

Other stuff (liie i dont think i make u the object of my misflip goals right at the gate as scum) are probably
But i dont think me being distracted is

[skitter30]

Ok, aristeia isn't going to happen, that much is clear.
I can't see anything else but the interaction so I have to just hope that I am wrong.
So...
fireisredsir looks like a person defending their partner. Combine this with ari's case that I just have to assume to come from town(because if ari is scum we already lost)...
VOTE: Skitter

Ok so we're now up to you proposing: ari, mena/mala, and me/fire this phase
After spending all of day1 insisting its ari/dats and then hammering a coalition with them in it

What happened to your dats scumread?
I think that this is v sus tbh

[skitter30]

I mean her trajectory is nonsensical but it could just as easily be town!her was stressed/distracted at work and didn't understand what I was telling her rather than scum!her decided to pull out some absurd trajectory to push me?

I'm not entirely sure how to respond to this
I tried a few times but i guess i'll just say i dont think how much effort i had or how much i understood was ai

Other stuff (liie i dont think i make u the object of my misflip goals right at the gate as scum) are probably
But i dont think me being distracted is

Tbf you aren't actually inherently saying it is either
But i just felt like i needed to say that