FFVII Mafia: Over

[MrBuddyLee]

Also, CarnCarn, the fact that your "actions" have been blocked twice means your claimed role is not confirmed in the least. I don't understand why you think you should be beyond scrutiny--it's a little overdefensive in my opinion.

[CarnCarn]

Do you think the SK will be a powerless chump with a vanilla claim?

A mafia RB (Liam) had a vanilla claim (I assume it was a safeclaim; no one countered). What makes you think the SK would have something special?

The protect part strikes me as weird. If you target someone you find scummy, there's a 1/4 chance you can protect them from a crosskill or vig kill. Not too thrilled about that as a pro-town role.

Personally, I think it's more of a balance thing. Also, if you check other games where there are Jack of All Trades, they are protown and have the 4 abilities I mentioned. I can't think of one off the top of my head, but I remember browsing through some such games.

The fact that you=town means Yuffie had to protect Albert N1 bothers me as well.

This is not necessarily true. There are lots of possibilities for why my N1 action didn't go through on ABR. The simpler ones are that ABR was protected (although I don't know if we should really assume Yuffie is the only one with this ability). Other possibilities are along the lines of me being roleblocked (I don't know about this, considering westbrook's general inactiveness; not my favorite explanation).
Also possible is deflection of my kill or ABR being moved/transposed with someone else (I wouldn't be surprised to find such roles in this game, but I don't know how likely this is). Anyway, I like the protection explanation, but I don't necessarily see Yuffie as having to protect ABR N1 for my story to make sense.

Should we all trust your claim blindly?

I don't understand why you think you should be beyond scrutiny--it's a little overdefensive in my opinion.

Of course not. And when I have said I should be above suspicion? I've been answering questions as best as I can, but I've also been correcting a lot of misconceptions (either accidental or purposeful) about my role and alignment. How can you make that sound like a bad thing?

[wolframnhart]

I'm still waiting on Lowells:

Hi all. I'm replacing someone or another. Will read and astound you all with my prescience.

He then posts:

I'm nowhere near caught up, but I want my vote in the action, starting bandwagons, wreaking havoc. For now, I don't like 1201. vote carncarn.

I've never played FFVII. Is it gauche to ask who the claimed character is?

And after I question him and vote him he immediately:

@wolfram- the reason I didn't like Carn's post was that he said he wanted to wait to hear what others thought of the claim before acting on it. Often this indicates scum trying to figure out whether it's "safe" to attack a claimed player. Given that he's already claimed, however, I'll retract. unvote, vote wolfram.

and even admits it's

^^^^ OMGUS

He might try and say it was a joke vote or whatever, but the thing is he hasn't helped in any other way and to place a OMGUS vote, joke or not, at this point and time in the game is seriously stupid.

[Cephrir]

A mafia RB (Liam) had a vanilla claim (I assume it was a safeclaim; no one countered). What makes you think the SK would have something special?

Presumably the mafia has a few options, whereas the SK will have only one, probably and it will likely be better because SKs are one person. Mafias can still win down a member so their safeclaims don't all have to be terribly good.

Also, the promised post will now be tomorrow.

[Jebus]

I didn't really think too much of the Liam lynch, I just thought it a better lynch than ABR, for the reasons I said earlier.

[Zakeri]

Okay, after reviewing MBL's Actions, I find it very commendable that he is hunting Shinra, and is doing a fine job of spotting CallMeLiam's Scum buddies and searching them out. I just have a few questions.

What exactly do you think of iLord and any possible relations to him?

How exactly does DynamoIX and his replacement lowell strike you?

[MrBuddyLee]

There's no way iLord and armlx were both Turks--he defended armlx way too openly. And get this:

I'm thinking that Shinra is a scum group, and that Team Jenova is another scum group, and that ABR and Xtoxm are cops for those groups respectively.

Yet another piece of evidence from the mouth of a known scum that there may very well be scumcops in this game who are looking for members of the opposite team.

I don't particularly see any connections to iLord after rereading his posts. He mostly obsessed over armlx, ABR and xtoxm.

Also, I doubt a scumteam would be given the safeclaim of Cloud--too powerful a claim and would put the other team at a disadvantage. So Tony is less likely to be scumcop than SK.

[MrBuddyLee]

Back to my final analysis: Zakeri:

I actually just realized this is an out-and-out lie:

I believed Xtoxm knew Armlx was scum because they were scum buddies.

I think that's not true, because right after xtoxm's claim you said you thought xtoxm was a jester:

In fact, you've played so horribly this round in your defense that I'm will to consider you a Jester. Vote: Xtoxm

This makes me think

you knew armlx was not Shinra because you are Shinra

, you knew xtoxm was making a stupid lie, and therefore you figured xtoxm had to be a suicidal jester.

Thinking about the xtoxm situation, I just realized something: Shinra would know all along whether or not xtoxm was lying about armlx being Shinra. So:

* If armlx is actually Shinra (maybe a 10% chance at this point) then Shinra would wagon him but would also try to get xtoxm in trouble as a possible scumcop for the Turks
* If armlx is NOT a Shinra, then the Shinra would have immediately thought that xtoxm was a jester(like Zakeri did), lying scum, probably a Turk, possibly an SK

I think it makes sense right now to go back and read the game to see who reacted in what ways to the bogus armlx=Shinra claim by xtoxm. But for now, Zakeri calling xtoxm a jester makes Zakeri look a lot like Shinra laughing at xtoxm's lie.

vote: Zakeri

[Zakeri]

I wasn't asking about Tony. I found DynamoIX rather scummy by the end of yesterday, and Lowell hasn't changed my opinion of that.

although, I'm satisfied now.

Unvote: Mr. Buddy Lee

I no longer have any doubt that there are multiple scum teams.

[Yosarian2]

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1. Yosarian2 - Made impressions yesterday. Reasonably correctly pushed for an ABR lynch but was curiously vocal yet not at all persuasive about Liam. Claims that's because chasing one person a day is enough, but if you're town, you should be making more than one case in case you're nervous about being nightkilled... leave a legacy, man. A prime Shinra suspect.

"leaving a legacy" would make sense if I was woried no one else would figure out Liam was scum if I was suddenly nightkilled. In the actual situation, though, that was hardly the case.

Anyway, getting away from this increasingly repetitive argument, you did remind me of how I noted a possible link beteen CC and Liam yesterday. Considering how early in the day CarnCarn was wondering about if a doc protected Albert, I actually do believe he tried to killl Albert the night before. Of course, that might just mean he's scum who tried to kill him; we certanly haven't seen any proof of any of his other claimed abilities. I think it's quite likely Carn is Shanara scum.

[iamausername]

* If armlx is actually Shinra (maybe a 10% chance at this point)

I do believe it's actually 0%, seeing as how he's dead and revealed as town.

I wasn't sure about the case that was brought against Zakeri at the start of the day, because I was thinking it was perfectly reasonable for a town player to have thought about his suspects overnight and have a post ready to start off the day without realising that one of them would die, but his blustering over an explanation of his mistake did not instill me with confidence in him, and this new point about the jester comment is a good one.

I still think Empking needs more pressure to contribute

something

, because what he's given us so far has been woefully inadequate, but I don't hate the Zakeri wagon.

[CarnCarn]

early in the day CarnCarn was wondering about if a doc protected Albert, I actually do believe he tried to killl Albert the night before. Of course, that might just mean he's scum who tried to kill him; we certanly haven't seen any proof of any of his other claimed abilities. I think it's quite likely Carn is Shanara scum.

Early in the day? I replaced into the game several days after day started, and I didn't really mention it until much later. I was poking around, especially after MBL brought up the ABR quote in question first (the one where he tried directing doc protection).
So, you're saying that since my story seems to make sense, I'm scum? I was a pretty obvious target for RB last night, and we know mafia have RBs (as well as Yuffie the doc, who was really a jailor). So, it's kind of hard to really prove those other abilities when you get blocked...

Also, I'm kind of surprised MBL is buying into the scumcop thing, based on what iLord said. He was clearly wrong about both xtoxm and ABR, and I wouldn't be surprised if his comments are just general confusion-increasing attempts from scum.
Also, what is this about:

* If armlx is actually Shinra (maybe a 10% chance at this point)

I do believe it's straight from the Zakeri school of day-scene-reading-comprehension.

[GhostWriter]

* If armlx is actually Shinra (maybe a 10% chance at this point)

I do believe it's actually 0%, seeing as how he's dead and revealed as town.

I think this was from the viewpoint of when that event was all happening, back whenever it was said, and not now.

[GhostWriter]

I no longer have any doubt that there are multiple scum teams.

Please tell me you didn't just become aware of that.

[Zakeri]

I no longer have any doubt that there are multiple scum teams.

Please tell me you didn't just become aware of that.

It was still a possibility. Now I'm certain it's not. Don't worry, even if you can't tell why, it's important for me to know for certain.

[Zakeri]

Edit: I forgot to add

Vote: Lowell

Dynamo has not been keeping a good posting records, and while I can't blame it on him, I was weirded out by an odd post in where he defends someone. I tried to find out what the context of his quote was, but since he didn't post the number of even the name of the person he quoted, I was quite lost there. It made me very suspicious of him.

Lowell however has done an exelent job of keeping his track record intact however, with a measily four posts, one of which promised a read, the next saying he did not read but wanted to bandwagon (on a claimed role) the third putting an OGMUS vote on the guy who pointed out how scummy it was, and the very next and last vote being his admiting to an OGMUS.

I would like to know if you've finished reading up. I know it's a long one, but the more informed the better. We've long since been past the random voting stage of the game, so That OGMUS is very highly suspicious (Although, not itself as suspicious as how easy it was to get you to change your vote without any reason behind it)

[GhostWriter]

How could it have possibly been a possibility? That's ridiculous, and it makes NO sense. It shows you, clearly, that the two groups have DIFFERENT names. It was clear from the start of today. It was suspected, by most of us, from the get go. It has been certain for a while now. I don't even know how you can not see that it was certain. I also don't see why you did what you just did in that last sentence.

[GhostWriter]

EBWOP: that's all in response to post #1264.

[Zakeri]

There are few things that rival my wordcraft. A fly in the center of a white room, if it were completely paralyzed, maybe.

I'll pay more attention now.

[GhostWriter]

There are few things that rival my wordcraft. A fly in the center of a white room, if it were completely paralyzed, maybe.

Okay... wait, what?

[christiano drago]

I wasn't asking about Tony. I found DynamoIX rather scummy by the end of yesterday, and Lowell hasn't changed my opinion of that.

although, I'm satisfied now.

Unvote: Mr. Buddy Lee

I no longer have any doubt that there are multiple scum teams.

Holy shit. At this stage that's like finally realising that there was a WWII and they weren't just the same bloody war. Major FoS for trying to look uninformed.

I no longer have any doubt that there are multiple scum teams.

Please tell me you didn't just become aware of that.

It was still a possibility. Now I'm certain it's not. Don't worry, even if you can't tell why, it's important for me to know for certain.

It was

NOT

a possibility. Different colours, different names. If you take no notice of those attributes you'd be as well just counting town and scum as the same.

There are few things that rival my wordcraft. A fly in the center of a white room, if it were completely paralyzed, maybe.

I'll pay more attention now.

Seriously... what the hell was that about?

FoS

: Zakeri.

[TonyMontana]

Zakeri is either not paying attention at all, or is putting way too much effort into looking like he isn't.

[christiano drago]

1. Yosarian2
I've touched upon a few, let's run through the whole list:

21. TonyMontana -- claimed Cloud. Probably a power role, off-chance that this is Sephiroth's safeclaim. Should not be lynched without letting him claim results.

I agree entirely about Tony. The claim makes me very nervous about lynching him - but his behavior before the claim has me itching to find a reason not to believe the claim. Since you have now made your claim, TM, I'd expect you to be protected enough to be able to release results by Day Three - so I'll delay making a case until then.

20.

Westbrook_Owns_U

CarnCarn - Claimed without provocation, but it's an odd role that could easily accidentally vig someone he had hoped to protect or investigate, which sounds more SKish. Claims to have been blocked twice--feasible but that requires that we have 5 killing groups.

I'd agree that this claim seems shaky. Being blocked twice is very possible - especially if the scum players are struggling to get a handle on any power roles and he'd already confessed to being blocked [thus revealing that the RB had been a wise move]. However the Shinra role-blocker is now kaput leaving just one more scum role-blocker at most [if any at all, really]... so you should soon start turning up results.

1. Yosarian2 - Made impressions yesterday. Reasonably correctly pushed for an ABR lynch but was curiously vocal yet not at all persuasive about Liam. Claims that's because chasing one person a day is enough, but if you're town, you should be making more than one case in case you're nervous about being nightkilled... leave a legacy, man. A prime Shinra suspect.

The idea of being nervos about being NK'd is incredibly unsettling. The first thing I do when a vocal player has been trounced by scum is look at who he had been shouting at most of the day - just in case. If you shout at two people over a day phase, then chances are if you do get NK'd you'll help the town progress.

26.

Zac

Natirasha - Currently voting MBL for pure OMGUS reasons. Admitted to being too lazy to read the first day and a half of the game. Pressed Liam for a nonexistent reason, leading me to believe Nat's scumgroup may have investigated Liam as guilty overnight. And, curiously, said he was going to reread the thread for Yos and armlx, (thinks armlx is scum but gives no reason). And again today made sure to let us know that he reread the thread for Yos and armlx. Seems a little too eager to make that point--possible distancing from one or both? Demanded a claim from Tony at L-2, unvoted immediately after the claim, seemed to be prepared for it and not at all skeptical. Prototypical scum behavior.

Also, before Zac was replaced, Forbiddanlight had tried to make a bit of a case on him and they'd clashed a bit - then over the course of N1 forbiddanlight turns up riddled with bullet holes. We can't hear from Zac himself for this so I'd dropped it earlier on - but it's still niggling at me.

14. christiano drago - claimed vanilla, I believe. Has done nothing today--has no suspects. But his caution on the TonyMontana issue is protown.

My lack of activity for Day three is owing to acute embarassment after the ABR issue [having pushed so hard and been so sure only to find out he was actually telling the truth [albeit,

eventually

]] at the beginning and lately an influx of work. Back now though - and my red cheeks have cooled down a lot.

I've been really impressed with MBL's scum hunting for this phase, there have been some points I've not really been one hundred percent sure of - but a lot of what he's had to say has been very direct and to the point and a lot of the reactions he's provoked have been interesting to watch.

[TonyMontana]

Should not be lynched without letting him claim results.

Since you have now made your claim, TM, I'd expect you to be protected enough to be able to release results by Day Three - so I'll delay making a case until then.

I'm curious as to what kind of results you people are assuming I'll have...

[christiano drago]

Should not be lynched without letting him claim results.

Since you have now made your claim, TM, I'd expect you to be protected enough to be able to release results by Day Three - so I'll delay making a case until then.

I'm curious as to what kind of results you people are assuming I'll have...

Cloud is NOT gonna be Vanilla. So I'm going out on a limb and assume you can investigate or vig kill if you're him.