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[Save The Dragons]

why am i townreading mena for the way he's acting right now

even when i think it's more likely objectively that irrel gets flipped rather than mena

i feel like on some logic level, that should make me see mena's "flip me lol" as scummy but i just don't think it does

im really confused how you got here

[Aristeia]

its like

mena desperate > mena unaware of game state > mena town

[Save The Dragons]

why did you answer for datisi

[Aristeia]

we mindmeld a lot >.>

[Save The Dragons]

:<

[Datisi]

why am i townreading mena for the way he's acting right now

even when i think it's more likely objectively that irrel gets flipped rather than mena

i feel like on some logic level, that should make me see mena's "flip me lol" as scummy but i just don't think it does

im really confused how you got here

because it's like

i can see clear scum motivation for (1) switching his vote from you to irrel, especially after skitter voted there, (2) going "woe is me i'm getting flipped oh no".

i can't see the scum motivation for doing *both* of those things. it doesn't make sense - if he voted irrel as a survival strategy, then why does he refuse to actually respond to the case irrel made? he knows it won't help him if he goes "yeah no lol i'm tired" when like nobody except for me and skitter will townread it. and why does he antagonize ari. and why does he try to gain votes by asking irrel to self-vote when that is going to work approximately never.

like i KNOW the response might be "well he's playing up the meta and the wifom for you and skitter!!" for some parts of his actions, but like, why? we were already townreading him before, and he's doing actions that sink him with others in order to... further pocket those who he had pocketed already? like

[Datisi]

i mean my reasons weren't exactly "mena unaware thus mena town" because i don't think that's actually locktown for him or anything

but basically like uh i regret some of my life choices

[Aristeia]

just blame it on me

[Menalque]

but like, why? we were already townreading him before, and he's doing actions that sink him with others in order to... further pocket those who he had pocketed already? like

Because I’m the biggest brained scum of all the big brained scum datiis, and somehow I’m going to carry those skitter+you TRs to a win!!

[Save The Dragons]

okay like here's the thing

if someone wants me to get off of menalque they have to point out why as town he would mischaracterize my sr of him specifically to make me look bad

like i'm beyond my sr at this point and locked onto him for that alone

[Datisi]

idk it's like

i saw mena vote for irrel and i was like "oh. oh no." but THEN he started acting the exact opposite of what i'd have expected scum!mena to be doing in this economy and nfdsjkjanlwfnqilb mafia

[Aristeia]

mb hes confbiased on you

[Aristeia]

like if irrel is flipping town its not like menas read of you means anything

[Menalque]

Oh Oof I’m starting to get a bit toxic and almost made a much more toxic post which means it’s time to log off

Nighty night, please kill Relly for me while I’m gone

[Datisi]

std, maybe i would if i had actually read it >.>

i am also going to bed because my shitpost:content ration has gotten too high and i am not able to think right now, cheers

[Aristeia]

good night dear <3

[Save The Dragons]

i don't get it i don't see the need to put extra effort to make a case that's not accurate even if he's confirm biased. that took a conscious effort that i believe comes from scum and it's hard for me to see it any other way

it's frustrating because i've had this happen to me before and i was right and no one listened to me

[Aristeia]

i guess i can do irrelephant cuz i dont like listening to toxic mena rage at me ~.~

[Aristeia]

i don't get it i don't see the need to put extra effort to make a case that's not accurate even if he's confirm biased. that took a conscious effort that i believe comes from scum and it's hard for me to see it any other way

it's frustrating because i've had this happen to me before and i was right and no one listened to me

well if hes town and he thinks hes going to get flipped and he wants us to deadsheep him then it makes sense to drop a fat case on you

he has done this in the past.

[fireisredsir]

i don't think the case was very good though, or at least not proportionate to the level of confidence that he is placing in it

[Save The Dragons]

i think irrel is town

i think i'm sticking to my guns on this one

[fireisredsir]

I was more interested in StD because he had more of the "trying to look like he's sorting" than NK15 in his ISO, whereas NK15 was just... sort of there, doing his own shit, and not really worrying about looking like scum

like this was his response to me saying "why do these reasons apply to std and not to nk", when imo they apply to nk just as much if not more

like, "more interested"? this doesn't really feel like the response of someone who thinks they have guaranteed found scum and want to be deadsheeped

but i do think he knows that multiple people here would expect that from him as town having just read the end of ktane and so he does have scum motivation behind at least putting up a front of doing that

[fireisredsir]

idk i just kind of feel like he's hitting the same tonal markers of [frustrated that people don't see him as town, very high confidence, demanding that people listen after he dies, annoyance at scum for being scum and for other people not seeing it]...

but without the evidence to back it up?

like i feel like ktane went, (1) mena gets suspected and pressured -> (2) mena solves and cases with good, in-depth reasoning -> (3) all of the above in brackets

and here we're kinda missing step 2

i guess the idea if he's town is that he has already done that in his head but just doesn't have the energy to put it in thread? but the thing is that as scum, step 3 is way more important to getting townread (cause it matches people's expectation of how he will act emotionally), requires way less effort than step 2, and most people probably won't even really care that he skipped step 2. but as town, step 2 is the only thing that matters, bc step 3 is not going to convince anyone that his solve is correct once he's dead. and i don't think that it really makes sense for step 3 to happen at all as town unless he has gone through step 2 already

ofc the trajectory doesn't have to match exactly for him to be town. he could have a completely different response. maybe he doesn't find anything convincing. maybe he doesn't have time to effort at all. w/e, that's fine. but as scum he kind of has to try to match trajectory bc people will be expecting it

tl;dr i wouldn't scumread him for lack of effort and strong casing alone. but i do think that not having that makes his emotional trajectory not really make as much sense as town. and to me thats why im leaning towards feeling like it's just AtE

[Irrelephant11]

I think he's just trying to get me mislimmed before he goes down. If he comes for me, he can maybe get 1/3 of the way to a scum win. Anyone else and he just goes down

[Irrelephant11]

Like the push on me is so so opportunistic. Meanwhile I've burned all my towncred making this case and it still might not go through?