large normal 239. game over

[ItalianoVD]

Can we just not delve into setup spec when we have literally zero information as a whole.

Pretty sure Nero is town

Can you elaborate why?

[Nero Cain]

but I've seen enough that I'm comfortable with nero!scum.

Why did you not answer my question?

[KittyTacky]

So 13:3 isn't tilted in town's favor? I don't understand what's BS here. Kinda sketchy NGL.

Correct. 13:3 Mountainous isn't tilted in town's favor. It's scumsided.

Is Mountainous even normal? Like sure, it fits the guidelines, but I have never heard of one being run in the normal queue. Towns usually have several fairly strong PRs in larges.

[KittyTacky]

I'm a traitor
VOTE: over90

Why did you do this?

Same reason I claimed jester.

[ItalianoVD]

but I've seen enough that I'm comfortable with nero!scum.

Why did you not answer my question?

My bad, what question was that? Thought I answered everything.

[SirCakez]

Can we just not delve into setup spec when we have literally zero information as a whole.

Pretty sure Nero is town

Can you elaborate why?

Just have a pretty good vibe

[Nero Cain]

and yet you didn't vote me until I voted you. If you found my posting scummy prior to 58 why not call me out?

it was inside the spoiler of 124 but I know you didn't click on it b/c you didn't care about my responses b/c this is just an agenda driven push back.

[Nero Cain]

I do radiate good vibes

[Gamma Emerald]

[KittyTacky]

Responses in bold.

A big part of why I think Kitty could be scum is the way that they have responded to suspicion in this game. When one is scum, the question of how to respond to a vote/suspicion is, I think, a pretty tricky one, and something that a lot of players as scum will have to intentionally think about, and I think Kitty's responses align with scum feeling the need to respond in a certain way, rather than a natural town response.

The first example of this is here:

VOTE: KittyTacky

You're making a terrible mistake, I'm Jester.

Which would be a pretty harmless joke on its own, and at first I didn't think anything of it, but then it is a lot more pronounced in 139

Statements like "Do you really expect me to try to case you on page 6? I don't case people this early." don't actually match what Nero was asking, and make out Nero to be unreasonable.

How does it not match, and yes it was unreasonable to shade me for not wanting to case early.

And "The cardinal sin of waiting for more posts from a player before seeing whether to commit to a read or not." - is an insistence that what Kitty is doing is totally reasonable and shouldn't be suspected, again that any suspicion of Kitty is unsubstantiated (though note that in this case RCE didn't even provide a reason for thinking that Kitty was scum).

Because I am town and FMPOV suspecting me is unreasonable.

So instead of being confident in their role PM being town, Kitty feels the need to essentially belittle any suspicion against them, even when the suspicion itself is quite trivial and low-impact.

This contradicts your previous point.

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I also don't like the Nero thing, as I don't really believe that they truly have that read.

Well I do so it's your word versus mine.

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over90, I would like to know why you townread Kitty.

PEdit: Tbf carcalilly, no one was actually shading kitty for not casing early. That was a narrative that Kitty themselves created.

The 3 votes on me say otherwise.

[Gamma Emerald]

do you do the response in bold thing a lot?

[KittyTacky]

2. What's wrong with just being somewhat cautious this early?

I think early game is the best time to not be cautious and it looks like you just know I'm town that is afraid to vote me. I mean maybe I can understand that you are suspicious of me but that suspicion hasn't formed into a full on scum read yet but still seems iffy to me.

Last game I pushed several people early and they were all town. I don't want to repeat my mistakes.

what did you like about VD's case?

It felt townish on gut and your play does actually feel different this game to me now that he pointed it out.

and now your case is that I haven't done enough.

Wrong.

Even though there hasn't been much of anything in this game so far, I feel town!you would've done more by now.

is this not a change in reasoning? I mean maybe you could argue that it's something you are adding onto your meta case but I think that's BS. I think that no one was bitting on your meta case so you threw out some charged wording that I wasn't doing enough. I think I'm doing plenty.

do you do the response in bold thing a lot?

If it's a wall with several quotes, yeah. I don't want to cut out and quote every single part.

[Nero Cain]

well maybe not 2 u

[KittyTacky]

I never said I read the game for meta. I also never said I metadived you. So let’s not get too carried away with putting words in my mouth or twisting my thoughts.

I just said it felt off in terms of you casing NC very early.

Yeah that post is just gross. VOTE: takotsubo syndrome

[Nero Cain]

Last game I pushed several people early and they were all town. I don't want to repeat my mistakes.

honestly, this doesn't make me feel any better lol. I mean maybe I could see you go "oh my reads were really bad last game so I'm going try to let others lead." but then I think there's a good chunk of possible scum motivation in that.

[DeasVail]

Kitty, nowhere has anyone said that they are voting you because you didn’t case Nero.

Why do you still claim this?

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, nowhere has anyone said that they are voting you because you didn’t case Nero.

Why do you still claim this?

Well it came across this way. Elaborate why you think my response to pressure is scummy.

[DeasVail]

Kitty, nowhere has anyone said that they are voting you because you didn’t case Nero.

Why do you still claim this?

Well it came across this way. Elaborate why you think my response to pressure is scummy.

I think that you have prioritised stamping out suspicion cast against you (scum-motivated) over trying to determine whether people are town or scum (town-motivated)

[takotsubo syndrome]

just feels a bit weird you thought to check his old games but only checked 2 of them

Again, I never said that I was checking his games specifically. He just happened to be in the few games that I was reading up on. I never meta'd him personally myself.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why were you reading them, then?

[takotsubo syndrome]

Ignore that Nashed quote my phone has a bug

why was your only comment to bring up something someone else mentioned?

I mean I really didn't have much to comment on while catching up. Majority of what has been posted looks like it's been in jest aka the traitor/jester/mason claim.
This just very serious in like a very jokey time & felt very off.

This is such a scum thing to post

VOTE: takotsubo

Not really. Nothing stuck out in terms of much other than a few odd pings. As I said Gamma & VD felt off, but that's really about it. Nothing that screams scum let's lim them yet, but it's still early.

[takotsubo syndrome]

Why were you reading them, then?

There was another player in them which happened to overlap and I only read the beginning part of the game.

[Not Known 15]

I never said I read the game for meta. I also never said I metadived you. So let’s not get too carried away with putting words in my mouth or twisting my thoughts.

I just said it felt off in terms of you casing NC very early.

Yeah that post is just gross. VOTE: takotsubo syndrome

Ignore that Nashed quote my phone has a bug

why was your only comment to bring up something someone else mentioned?

I mean I really didn't have much to comment on while catching up. Majority of what has been posted looks like it's been in jest aka the traitor/jester/mason claim.
This just very serious in like a very jokey time & felt very off.

This is such a scum thing to post

VOTE: takotsubo

VOTE: takotsubo syndrome

[takotsubo syndrome]

I'm just saying if part of the votes are from attitudes that's just me in general.

Attitude =/= scum

[Nero Cain]

I still rather VD or Kitty. Like I get why TS is getting wagoned and in a vacuum his post was scummy as all get out but I sorta think he's town and scum are wagoning him.