Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

How do you feel about Klick?

I'm already taken but I'm sure he's a lovely lad. Don't need a wingman.

[Save The Dragons]

[MathBlade]

How do you feel about Klick?

I'm already taken but I'm sure he's a lovely lad. Don't need a wingman.

I take it that means you don’t want to elim there?

[Nero Cain]

I'd vote Klick

[MathBlade]

Join me and StD please then?

[Nero Cain]

MonkeyMan not claiming until after Klick did could also bring me back to TicTac/Monkey team.

I don't think it happened this way and even if it did the idea that they are a team is ???

If anything, I did think about you and MM gambiting and MM claims a "guilty" on you while you fakeclaim vig in the hood so when you are outted SCP it is all like "no this is a false positive!"

but that would mean a FL/MB team wich means Keeper isn't a mafia glad and im not sure if I believe in that world

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: klick

[Nashville Dreams]

[The Keeper]

It’s not that I am tilted. It’s that it’s logically impossible:

RCEnigma, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie, fled town Night 1.
>> Assign this kill as town


mastina, Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker, fled town Night 2.
butterchurn, Malefactor 1-shot Watcher, fled town Night 2.

>> Assign Mastina as town kill.
This means both Mafia and wolves killed butterchurn which is uhhh no
Or wolves and FL killed Mastina both which is uhhh no
Or (listing for completeness) I am scum which as I likely die via nightkill that will solve itself
No other protectives on the board

So the only way I can think of FL town mechanically is if Klick is Ascetic.

If Klick is town Mastina has to block me yeah?

Can anyone point out the flaw?

What I'm left wondering, is if the 2 in 3 kill applies to any 3 consecutive nights (meaning max 2 chained kills), each set of 3 consecutive nights (1,2,3 - 4,5,6) or overall (Mean in theory scum can no kill 2 or 3 nights in a row and then kill for 4 running.)

[The Keeper]

FL being in 3 PTs is already outed

Something tells me this was in a bit I didn't read.

[The Keeper]

With the rules explanation from Cephrir that scum only have to have 1 no kill in 123 and 1 no kill in 456, scum gain no strategic advantage no killing twice.

eeeeeh.....

each scumteam is only allowed to kill 2 nights out of each 3. If a team submits kills nights 1 and 2, they may not kill night 3, and so on.

It's an example not a definitive.

[MathBlade]

It’s not that I am tilted. It’s that it’s logically impossible:

RCEnigma, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie, fled town Night 1.
>> Assign this kill as town


mastina, Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker, fled town Night 2.
butterchurn, Malefactor 1-shot Watcher, fled town Night 2.

>> Assign Mastina as town kill.
This means both Mafia and wolves killed butterchurn which is uhhh no
Or wolves and FL killed Mastina both which is uhhh no
Or (listing for completeness) I am scum which as I likely die via nightkill that will solve itself
No other protectives on the board

So the only way I can think of FL town mechanically is if Klick is Ascetic.

If Klick is town Mastina has to block me yeah?

Can anyone point out the flaw?

What I'm left wondering, is if the 2 in 3 kill applies to any 3 consecutive nights (meaning max 2 chained kills), each set of 3 consecutive nights (1,2,3 - 4,5,6) or overall (Mean in theory scum can no kill 2 or 3 nights in a row and then kill for 4 running.)

Cephrir clarifies this later in thread
It’s sets not consecutive
[1,2,3] must contain a no kill
[4,5,6] must contain a no kill

[cassowary]

If Math flips wolf, power flip Cass.

Dunno who their maf partner would be if they flipped Maf.

If town, their flip should give a lot of info

Honestly, his flip gives like no info if he's town but he's a gigantic barrier to getting reads and wagons going.

Then I feel like this means he's not the best person to kill today -- there are people who will give much more info if they flip town. Now seems like a terrible time to eliminate someone for this reason??

Seriously though math i think you're town (unless someone else is a cleric and lying about it! which i suppose is possible) but i think the FL thing is not as clear cut as you think it is

I could do klick though, sure, I think there is a good chance they are a wolf, they have been low key suspicious all game and have been hard defending menalque and pushing me instead which I'm not the biggest fan of. Even if Menalque is town I still feel like Klick is likely wolf

VOTE: klick

Pedit:

What I'm left wondering, is if the 2 in 3 kill applies to any 3 consecutive nights (meaning max 2 chained kills), each set of 3 consecutive nights (1,2,3 - 4,5,6) or overall (Mean in theory scum can no kill 2 or 3 nights in a row and then kill for 4 running.)

I believe Cephrir confirmed it's the second one (each set of 3 consecutive nights) which does mean the kill numbers are a little weird, but I don't think something like scum hitting the same target is as out of the question as Math seems to think it is

[The Keeper]

ya know something, I'm on 377 and I'm getting D1 flashbacks and I'm not going to bother reading up more -.-;

[Flavor Leaf]

If Math flips wolf, power flip Cass.

Dunno who their maf partner would be if they flipped Maf.

If town, their flip should give a lot of info

Honestly, his flip gives like no info if he's town but he's a gigantic barrier to getting reads and wagons going.

I was more referring to if their claim of scum being caught will be there, which could confirm Klick and i as town, in theory, + brings it back to that VCA with MonkeyMan filled in.

MonkeyMan not claiming until after Klick did could also bring me back to TicTac/Monkey team.

Monkey claimed first I believe you’ve been corrected on this several times

This is incorrect.

Mega said Klick claiming in neighborhood prior to Monkey's claim. I also believe they claimed gunsmith early on into the game, if i am remembering correctly.

[The Keeper]

Thats good to know that it got confirmed.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay I'm a one shot gunsmith.

okay so monkeyman claims 1 shot gunsmith and still gets blocked? i think that's unlikely. also what if mastina used her rb shot n1

this is why it's absurd.

Math changed the claim afterwards, and refuses to accept the most likely outcome of Mastina roleblocking night 1, and completely throws out the idea of them blocking the wolves kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay I'm a one shot gunsmith.

okay so monkeyman claims 1 shot gunsmith and still gets blocked? i think that's unlikely. also what if mastina used her rb shot n1

It’s unlikely unless mafiascum checked me N1.

Mastina using her shot N1 means
A) Klick is Ascetic.
B) One kill from Mafia or Wolves is missing N2

Notice how Math ignores the possibility of a Wolf roleblocking them even though there are 3 wolves still alive.

[Flavor Leaf]

Man, this situation just screams scum Math trying to chain misfade Klick/Me, but i do see potential wolf Klick.

I feel like no matter what Klick flips, Math is setting me up to get pushed tomorrow.

I don't believe Math is telling the truth about the roleblock. They said they never end game, but honestly, if they take out Klick and I as scum, they dont need to end game as scum. There's other wolves.

Theyre gonna go "FL doesnt want to go Klick, they're scum!" but it's literally impossible for me to be scum with Klick.

[Flavor Leaf]

So Klick vs Mathblade wagons. I'm okay with seeing how this goes.

Immediate feeling is Klick is more likely to go through, considering I'm even feeling okay flipping over there, which does make me lean Math more.

[MathBlade]

Man, this situation just screams scum Math trying to chain misfade Klick/Me, but i do see potential wolf Klick.

I feel like no matter what Klick flips, Math is setting me up to get pushed tomorrow.

I don't believe Math is telling the truth about the roleblock. They said they never end game, but honestly, if they take out Klick and I as scum, they dont need to end game as scum. There's other wolves.

Theyre gonna go "FL doesnt want to go Klick, they're scum!" but it's literally impossible for me to be scum with Klick.

Pick a theory and stick with it.

First I am mafia
Then I am wolf.

*sighs* Do not poke the obviously lying FL. Do not poke the obviously lying Fl *deep breath*

[Nero Cain]

Math changed the claim afterwards, and refuses to accept the most likely outcome of Mastina roleblocking night 1

remind me why this is most likely? Who was she roleblocking?

[MathBlade]

Okay I'm a one shot gunsmith.

okay so monkeyman claims 1 shot gunsmith and still gets blocked? i think that's unlikely. also what if mastina used her rb shot n1

this is why it's absurd.

Math changed the claim afterwards, and refuses to accept the most likely outcome of Mastina roleblocking night 1, and completely throws out the idea of them blocking the wolves kill.

It’s why I want Klick

Either Mastina blocked me or Klick is ascetic

Town (even with myself) has way too limited power for two RBs. So the simpler answer is Klick ascetic you scum.

[MathBlade]

Math changed the claim afterwards, and refuses to accept the most likely outcome of Mastina roleblocking night 1

remind me why this is most likely? Who was she roleblocking?

Mastina roleblocked me more than likely.
FL is trying to answer why two kills are missing in town him world

[Nero Cain]

I think you'd only make sense if you were rolecopped. Like I'm in this strange place where I'm not "oh you were defiantly roleblocked" or "yeah Klick is ascetic". Although I guess the you being rolecopped and the blocked does kinda make more sense b/c I think a scum klick would have just claimed ascetic.