Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Harley Quinn]

You’re not seeing my point.

The default setting is to do that to me.

When proven with a concrete actual example of things not matching reality,

Not only do you ignore it until it’s brought up

You just wait and see a response

You’re civil.

There’s no insulting, no talking down, no accusations

Everyone just breezed along like it’s another day in the neighborhood.

I just want that same level of courtesy.

I didn’t comment on it both because I didn’t really think anything of it either way and unless I take issue with Implosion’s explanation, I probably won’t but if I don’t like it, I absolutely will.

@Math I’m sorry if you feel at all personally disrespected by me. As I’ve already stated, personally I hold you in the highest regard and I assure you I wouldn’t say something like that lightly.

I think much of your play here has been really scummy and I do feel that you have twisted and misrepped a lot of people’s posts not just mine.

Until I hear Implosion’s response, I will assume it was probably a mistake on his part. I really don’t know what more you want me to say about that.

[Harley Quinn]

You’re not seeing my point.

The default setting is to do that to me.

When proven with a concrete actual example of things not matching reality,

Not only do you ignore it until it’s brought up

You just wait and see a response

You’re civil.

There’s no insulting, no talking down, no accusations

Everyone just breezed along like it’s another day in the neighborhood.

I just want that same level of courtesy.

I didn’t comment on it both because I didn’t really think anything of it either way and unless I take issue with Implosion’s explanation, I probably won’t but if I don’t like it, I absolutely will.

@Math I’m sorry if you feel at all personally disrespected by me. As I’ve already stated, personally I hold you in the highest regard and I assure you I wouldn’t say something like that lightly.

I think much of your play here has been really scummy and I do feel that you have twisted and misrepped a lot of people’s posts not just mine.

Until I hear Implosion’s response, I will assume it was probably a mistake on his part. I really don’t know what more you want me to say about that.

[Harley Quinn]

You’re not seeing my point.

The default setting is to do that to me.

When proven with a concrete actual example of things not matching reality,

Not only do you ignore it until it’s brought up

You just wait and see a response

You’re civil.

There’s no insulting, no talking down, no accusations

Everyone just breezed along like it’s another day in the neighborhood.

I just want that same level of courtesy.

I didn’t comment on it both because I didn’t really think anything of it either way and unless I take issue with Implosion’s explanation, I probably won’t but if I don’t like it, I absolutely will.

@Math I’m sorry if you feel at all personally disrespected by me. As I’ve already stated, personally I hold you in the highest regard and I assure you I wouldn’t say something like that lightly.

I think much of your play here has been really scummy and I do feel that you have twisted and misrepped a lot of people’s posts not just mine.

Until I hear Implosion’s response, I will assume it was probably a mistake on his part. I really don’t know what more you want me to say about that.

[Harley Quinn]

You’re not seeing my point.

The default setting is to do that to me.

When proven with a concrete actual example of things not matching reality,

Not only do you ignore it until it’s brought up

You just wait and see a response

You’re civil.

There’s no insulting, no talking down, no accusations

Everyone just breezed along like it’s another day in the neighborhood.

I just want that same level of courtesy.

I didn’t comment on it both because I didn’t really think anything of it either way and unless I take issue with Implosion’s explanation, I probably won’t but if I don’t like it, I absolutely will.

@Math I’m sorry if you feel at all personally disrespected by me. As I’ve already stated, personally I hold you in the highest regard and I assure you I wouldn’t say something like that lightly.

I think much of your play here has been really scummy and I do feel that you have twisted and misrepped a lot of people’s posts not just mine.

Until I hear Implosion’s response, I will assume it was probably a mistake on his part. I really don’t know what more you want me to say about that.

[MathBlade]

Nope, I wasn't misinterpreting/misremembering at all. I'm right.

Noone seems interested in my scum reads and I don't think will be until we've flipped some or the more controversial slots.

We have like a day and a half left

and I just want to be done with today.

Only explanation is that Bellaphant thought Math's timer was the deadline.

This was also shortly followed by Wallflower implying she thought we were pretty low on time but she had enough time to "sleep on it" so I think she might have misinterpreted it too.

(and no this wasn't intended to be an attack on math, just a clarification...)

Wait say what?

You’re saying you’re right in that someone brought up my timer

Then immediately contradict yourself and say the only explanation is Bellaphant thought my timer was the deadline when she didn’t even talk about it?

Cmon man.

[Harley Quinn]

This means A=> Implosion is scum and people are hoping it goes away
Or B=> People when they don’t understand me default to things like not in reality which is very harmful
Or C=> Some option I can’t see

In that game I referenced it was an honest mistake, which is why that’s my default position until I hear something to make me think otherwise.

[Ausuka]

hi, really sorry about playing so terribly this game lmao, I didn't want to be like this but irl is really kicking my ass and it's hard to like think clearly and sort people, I'm going to try and catch up to the current page and if anyone has questions about my opinions on like a specific thing I'll do my best to look into it and answer

Okay we made it!

I have (sort of) read the game.

Whew.

I feel pretty good about HQ, Gamma, Dwlee, Aristeia being town.
Ausuka and Bellaphant also give me vaguely positive feelings but I'm not, like, solid. Kind of like ice cream, a weird not-quite-solid, not-quite-liquid amount of certainty!

Mmmm ice cream.

But yes!

The dwlee read seems most at odds with where other people might be at, but I think that Post 548 in particular comes from a town mindset, and in a similar way, Post 1184. I think it's a bit bold of scum to be outright "I like this person because they townread me!" in the way that Dwlee has, but it's an approach that feels consistent with how they are playing this game.

I might need to read over some things again, but when it comes to HEM I just feel... underwhelmed. If they flip scum I'd be like "yeah sure, that makes sense". If they flip town I'd be like "yeah sure, that makes sense". I just can't bring myself to feel stongly either way.

I do have a bit of a pet scumread in implosion. Particularly the insistence on being enthusiastic about the HEM wagon after being called out for exploring other options/being non-committal feels like more of a response to that than true progression of the read.

I love the ice cream analogy

That's kind of how I feel about hem too tbh, I'm leaning town a little bit although it's hard to explain, I guess I got bad vibes from the way the wagon built up

I somewhat see where you're coming from with Dwlee but I guess I just disagree scum would never just give a tr to someone for townreading them

[Gamma Emerald]

hi, really sorry about playing so terribly this game lmao, I didn't want to be like this but irl is really kicking my ass and it's hard to like think clearly and sort people, I'm going to try and catch up to the current page and if anyone has questions about my opinions on like a specific thing I'll do my best to look into it and answer

???
how has your play so far this game been terrible?

[Ausuka]

As for Dwlee, you and Titus have opposing reads on them but I don't really understand why? I feel like that's something you can dig into here and feels really important for understanding the game state.

I like this from Roden I think? It feels like a good faith attempt to help a possible town Math

Pedit: I don't think my play was terrible when I was here but I've been starting to lurk and not really contribute to discussions since I've fallen behind

[Harley Quinn]

To even get you to acknowledge what may be a blatant scum slip for implosion I had to highlight it three times

My guess is scum talked about that timer with implosion in their scum PT.

Does anyone else have a better explanation?

If true, then that would be a really silly thing to do. If someone ever blatantly accused me of something I didn’t, I would blow them out of the water. Now not saying Implosion couldn’t be scum here for whatever reasons but intentionally falsely accusing someone of deliberately misrepping the timer would seriously be just beyond dumb don’t you think?

[Harley Quinn]

Nope, I wasn't misinterpreting/misremembering at all. I'm right.

Noone seems interested in my scum reads and I don't think will be until we've flipped some or the more controversial slots.

We have like a day and a half left

and I just want to be done with today.

Only explanation is that Bellaphant thought Math's timer was the deadline.

This was also shortly followed by Wallflower implying she thought we were pretty low on time but she had enough time to "sleep on it" so I think she might have misinterpreted it too.

(and no this wasn't intended to be an attack on math, just a clarification...)

So Bella got the timer wrong then? I really don’t understand any of what is happening here wrt to timergate. And I can definitely understand Math being pissed but it just seems to just be something so ridiculous as a scumploy.

[Ausuka]

Those who genuinely think HEM is scum would want to stay on HEM scum. They wouldn’t destroy one wagon to move to a maybe wagon where some people townread me.

Ergo HEM is town and I am town

Restart RVS if you have to.

Or you’re both scum

Extremely likely but Math is flaming obvscum. To those of you doubting this look at his reasoning for pretty much any of his reads: Ausuka scum (before she got lured to the dark side) for being “nice”. Gamma because Mat couldn’t find town!Gamma early enough despite calling them both t/t, rofl and look at his STD progressiin. He went from apparently trying to wagon him to seconds later locktowning him right after STD claimed to want to gladiate him but Math had some secret mysterious reason (that would rival the Caramilk secret) for that 180 which he won’t reveal to us. I could go on and on.

I'm not sure what to make of Math rn but for what it's worth I'm pretty sure I was voting Dwlee before Math was

[Harley Quinn]

Nope, I wasn't misinterpreting/misremembering at all. I'm right.

Noone seems interested in my scum reads and I don't think will be until we've flipped some or the more controversial slots.

We have like a day and a half left

and I just want to be done with today.

Only explanation is that Bellaphant thought Math's timer was the deadline.

This was also shortly followed by Wallflower implying she thought we were pretty low on time but she had enough time to "sleep on it" so I think she might have misinterpreted it too.

(and no this wasn't intended to be an attack on math, just a clarification...)

Yeah so like I thought a mistake right?

[MathBlade]

If you don’t understand my point then why are you continually asserting it’s wrong?

[MathBlade]

If I get hammered my final guess is Implosion HQ Dwlee

[Gamma Emerald]

lulw

[Gamma Emerald]

If you don’t understand my point then why are you continually asserting it’s wrong?

because the point is lost yet you're barking up a storm about how this is supposed to mean something

[Harley Quinn]

i'm not hung up on it. i can understand mafia can get heated. i'm just explaining a pov i had.

are we nearing deadline? i've been sleeping on and off today. nasty nausea from weaning off opioids. I'll be more myself tomorrow i think. really sorry for the disappointment.

math going for my wagon is interesting. was my wagon dying? so maybe math is scum who wanted my flip all along but just wanted to whiteknight.

i really dont know why scum would still want my wagon after saying im vt. there are more interesting things to do, like running up random wagons to get a claim. is that risky in this gamestate? i have no idea.

honestly i'm baffled i'm not elimmed i really thought that wagon will push through.

okay back to sleep.

im not gonna give a readslist because like i said i have no idea what's going on this game thus far and im stuck in the past.

I’ve got to say that these posts are hella weird if HEM is not SvS with Math, because he doesn’t seem to actually care if he’s flipped. Unless people think that this is fake but it really sounds like he doesn’t gaf if he’s flipped. I suppose it’s possible he could be indifferent town as well but if he’s scum and Math is town, that’s the one combination that doesn’t make any sense wrt these posts.

[Titus]

If I get hammered my final guess is Implosion HQ Dwlee

Why am I not scum?

Also, getting you links Bella.

Two town games showing my range and a game showing scum frustration and compromise.

[MathBlade]

If I get hammered my final guess is Implosion HQ Dwlee

Why am I not scum?

Also, getting you links Bella.

Two town games showing my range and a game showing scum frustration and compromise.

Because you don’t fit
You feel scummy but you don’t fit.

I think it’s more I want you to be scum vs you being scum

[Harley Quinn]

If you don’t understand my point then why are you continually asserting it’s wrong?

Because even after hearing Implosion’s explanation, you still don’t get how it’s not really the same but I’m getting a massive headache arguing with you about this, so meh.

[MathBlade]

If you don’t understand my point then why are you continually asserting it’s wrong?

because the point is lost yet you're barking up a storm about how this is supposed to mean something

The point
Implosion asked about something that didn’t happen
I called him out
He then said Bella said she talked about my timer
Which is like not true?
Then called himself right

Like I feel like I am in the twilight zone with how much gas there is

[Harley Quinn]

If I get hammered my final guess is Implosion HQ Dwlee

Why am I not scum?

Also, getting you links Bella.

Two town games showing my range and a game showing scum frustration and compromise.

And why am I @Math?

[Harley Quinn]

If you don’t understand my point then why are you continually asserting it’s wrong?

because the point is lost yet you're barking up a storm about how this is supposed to mean something

The point
Implosion asked about something that didn’t happen
I called him out
He then said Bella said she talked about my timer
Which is like not true?
Then called himself right

Like I feel like I am in the twilight zone with how much gas there is

He posted a quote by Bella. Are you saying it was made up?

[Titus]

Bella

Titus Town without Math with changed frustration levels (but I still blow up as town from time to time) - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89120

Scum me v Math town - Shows both of us frustrated, will go into more detail upon request

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987


Battle for Calcusia is a game with scum Math and town me

There was also a game that became follow the copish where I was town and he was scum, but I can't remember what it was.